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Old 01-02-2014, 04:27 PM    (permalink
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Wow. Gilbride gone. Crazy. Wish we'd do something bold and hire Norv or Chud.
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Wow. Gilbride gone. Crazy. Wish we'd do something bold and hire Norv or Chud.
I wouldn't rule it out, but Coughlin likes working with people he knows.

i also think the intent is that we need to tweak retune our system rather than basically starting over.

Sullivan makes the most sense to me
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I don't want Sully. He has done jack to warrant an OC job. I take a bunch of people before him.
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I don't want Sully. He has done jack to warrant an OC job. I take a bunch of people before him.
who do you want? and why?

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What about Keenan McCardell to coach the WRs? I guess Gilbride Jr still has the job but I hope he's gone soon. McCardell was an intern coach here and coached the WRs in Washington. He had his best years as a player under Coughlin.

I'm hoping for Norv. The basic philosophy of a power run game and vertical attack are there. Other than that I'm fine with the coaches. Ingram I like, Pope is a legend. Flaherty can stay. The O-line was more personnel, injuries, and age.

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I don't want Sully. He has done jack to warrant an OC job. I take a bunch of people before him.
Yea you're right, he just had Josh Freeman and a rookie RB set franchise records in his first year there.. He was also Eli's QB coach when Eli had his best statistical season but that ain't **** either.. Eli had a great year this past season.

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I am more than ok with Mike Sullivan, I think he is a good hire.
I also think people need to give him a chance, he did very well with Tampa last year.

Also just because his system has roots with Gilbride's system doesn't mean it will be exactly the same, after all every west coast offense is not the same.

I might prefer someone like Norv Turner, but I don't think we will be that adventurous with the hire.

I think we will likely go with Sullivan. He knows the players, knows the coaching staff is familiar with our previous system and more importantly knows Coughlin.

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I am hoping for Turner, or Chud as our OC hire. I am not really thrilled with anyone else. Shaw and David C. aren't leaving. In my mind the hardest step was getting rid of Gilbride. I thought we'd stick to status quo. This retirement was huge first step. Now they just have to make the right hire. Turner is staring us in the face. I really hope we make the change.
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Yea you're right, he just had Josh Freeman and a rookie RB set franchise records in his first year there.. He was also Eli's QB coach when Eli had his best statistical season but that ain't **** either.. Eli had a great year this past season.

So let him come back and be our WR coach or QB coach. Plus their talent on offense right now is better than us. I'd take the muscle hamster any day over the junk we have at RB. Their Ol did very well, and on top of that no one could bring down him running he ball.

Eli's statistical season was a component of many things. Let's give Sully props for Cruz's break out year at Wr... because he was a QB coach that year. Eli was good that year with late season comebacks but all our WRs were playing well. It was a good year in this system. Everything was clicking which this system showed. It was a boom or bust system. When things were on we could rip anyone a new butt hole. When we stunk, you got an epic s.. show.

I'd bring Sully back as a WR replacing Gilbride Jr. or as a Qb coach. I don't want him as our OC though.
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I am hoping for Turner, or Chud as our OC hire. I am not really thrilled with anyone else. Shaw and David C. aren't leaving. In my mind the hardest step was getting rid of Gilbride. I thought we'd stick to status quo. This retirement was huge first step. Now they just have to make the right hire. Turner is staring us in the face. I really hope we make the change.
The question is how well Coughlin knows those two.

Looking into the detail a little more and I have to agree with you on Turner and Chudzinski.

Turner's version of the "Air Coryell" offense would work well here.


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A key tenant to Turner's system is the vertical passing game. As a disciple of the "Air Coryell" offense, Turner's fondness for stretching the field, could be a major boon for Weeden.

Turner's fondness for flooding the field with vertical routes also opens up the intermediate zones for the tight end. Think about how Antonio Gates has exploited the middle for years with the Chargers. A more dated example would be Jay Novacek working the underneath for the Dallas Cowboys in the early-90's.

Turner's predilection for using tight ends this way could make the position a priority in free agency or the draft. Benjamin Watson is starting to slow and Alex Smith has never reached his potential.

Jordan Cameron is the closest to a Turner-type tight end currently on the roster. What the Browns need is an explosive player, with the angular frame to be used both in-line and from the slot.

Turner's hiring is also excellent news for Trent Richardson. He can expect to be featured in more of a north-south style running game. Turner usually relies on zone blocking, but tends to trust bigger linemen to execute it.

Unlike zone-running teams like the Houston Texans and Washington Redskins, Turner is not relying on stretch runs and cutback plays. His ground attacks are usually built on interior counters, run behind mobile power that wins at the line and then overwhelms in the open field.

From http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...e-under-new-oc
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Interestingly, I wonder if we did hire Turner or Chud, should we look at other members of the Browns offensive staff?

Offensive Quality Control Coach Shane Steichen
Offensive Line Coach Mike Sullivan
Offensive Line Coach George Warhop
Wide Receivers Coach Scott Turner

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Brandon Jacobs retired today. Such a great Giant!
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Since many of Giants turnover issues stemmed from Gilbride's system, I'm very skeptical of Mike Sullivan replacing him.

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Jacobs retired. I was never a fan of him, but rooted for him because he was a Giant. I wish him luck in the next chapter of his life.
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You must be super happy with both Gilbride and Jacobs retiring! It's your dream scenario.
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Jacobs is whatever. I mean if he can't stay healthy I can't wish him luck on another team. Gilbride, as you know, is a dream scenario, however, if we hire Sully, who I don't think is the best man for the job, then I will be pissed. If the above twitter entry is true, then god now, last thing I want is the same or similar sight adjustment routes.

Imagine that... finally get a new OC and we hire a guy who runs the same sight adjustment routes. That would be my personal hell.
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It's definitely happening. 1% chance it's someone other than Sully.
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I know it's sad too. Does that not bother anyone else?
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It bothers all of us.

My only hope now is if Fewell is gone and we replace him with a better option. That would make my offseason.

If we have a coaching staff of Sullivan and Fewell for next year I'm gonna be pissed.
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It does suck. I wish we would go out on a limb but honestly I think this will be Coughlin's last year. It's just a shame we couldn't pull in Chud or Norv.

Has there been any news on the defensive side of things? Fewell being retained? Honestly, I can live with Sullivan if we bring in a good defensive coordinator.
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That's what confuses me. The Redskins had to ask the Giants permission to talk to Fewell.

Doesn't that indicate he's under contract? So did he get extended quietly during the season again?

Bc correct me if I'm wrong, if his contract was supposed to be up at the end of the year the Redskins wouldn't need to ask for permission to interview him bc he would be a FA correct?
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Depends when the contract expires. It might expire Feb 1 and they wanted to interview him right away.
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Riiiight. Gotcha. Bc technically I guess the season ends with the SB so he would be under contract until then. Makes sense.
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Yeah I think Jug has that one right. We haven't heard any talk of an extension but the Giants always hold the cards close. Gilbride said he was thinking about retiring for a few years now so I'm curious if that's true or not.
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