New York Giants Discussion - Page 57

Giantsfan1080 · 08-31-2011, 09:42 AM

Honestly I don't think Barden and Cruz are really much of a check down WR either. It seems like all the guys we have right now are more of the explosive down field type. I think Nicks is all around the best by far and can do anything. Maybe Thomas can step into a check down type.

bigbluedefense · 08-31-2011, 09:45 AM

During that Dallas game, I noticed Eli checked down to Barden underneath on some occasions. *shrug*

He has the body to go up the middle and box out on curl routes. Cruz seems better outside than slot, even though his body type is that of a slot WR.

Hagan just makes sense to me.

bigbluedefense · 08-31-2011, 09:46 AM

Barden is on PUP for 6 weeks anyway. Might as well bring in Hagan, and worst case scenario, cut Hagan when Barden comes back.

Jughead10 · 08-31-2011, 10:45 AM

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Barden is on PUP for 6 weeks anyway. Might as well bring in Hagan, and worst case scenario, cut Hagan when Barden comes back.

I thought I saw Hagan catch a TD for the raiders on Sunday night? Not sure if it was the same Hagan. I assumed so.

NY+Giants=NYG · 08-31-2011, 11:02 AM

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Barden is on PUP for 6 weeks anyway. Might as well bring in Hagan, and worst case scenario, cut Hagan when Barden comes back.

Hagan is in beast mode in Oakland. He is not going anywhere I don't think. He is impressing people out there with his play.

Giantsfan1080 · 08-31-2011, 11:19 AM

Clayton seems like he would be the most ideal fit but he's had a blah camp while on offense. He's doing really well on specials but I don't think he will make the team just because of that.

bigbluedefense · 08-31-2011, 11:27 AM

Damn man. Why do we let go of Hagan? He was a very solid player for us. That was a mistake.

Sometimes you have to let go of "potential" and have a couple of bluecollar guys on the roster that can get stuff done when called upon. Hagan and Chase were 2 of those guys.

And now neither are on the roster.

Giantsfan1080 · 08-31-2011, 11:27 AM

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Damn man. Why do we let go of Hagan? He was a very solid player for us. That was a mistake.

Sometimes you have to let go of "potential" and have a couple of bluecollar guys on the roster that can get stuff done when called upon. Hagan and Chase were 2 of those guys.

And now neither are on the roster.

Probably because they were banking on Smith coming back and would have had no room for Hagan. Whoops.

bigbluedefense · 08-31-2011, 11:32 AM

Even then, we keep Clayton over Hagan? What has Clayton really done?

And am I the only one concerned about Jernigan? Doesn't he look and play exactly like Sinorice Moss did? I'll be patient, but truth be told, I expect absolutely nothing out of him this year. Let's see if the light turns on next year.

bigbluedefense · 08-31-2011, 11:40 AM

Btw, Rolle looked very good at nickel CB. He was pressing the crap out of Holmes and Holmes struggled to break through it.

I think as long as Ross can stay healthy, and Prince can give us solid reps as the 4 when he comes back, our secondary should be fine. We're still deep in the secondary if Prince can come back. Prince was a pro ready CB on paper, hopefully he can step up.

He was in a complex defense in Nebraska too.

I'm just worried about the offense. I just hope we can pound everyone to submission. I really wish we were able to see Barden this PS. He's so frustrating.

Giantsfan1080 · 08-31-2011, 11:43 AM

Barden is frustrating because he can really break through. Once he's healthy he'll be on the field. The secondary will likely still be fine but just for once I would have loved to see what this defense could do at full strength over a 10 game span.

bigbluedefense · 08-31-2011, 11:45 AM

Should've signed Randy Moss!

Oh yeah. I went there. Nicks in the slot beating up DBs inside. Moss going deep.

We still got time Reese. We still got time. Make the call.

scottyboy · 08-31-2011, 11:49 AM

don't be so harsh on JJ early BBD, he's a 3rd round rookie out of Troy for pete's sake! give him time.

but yeah, Hixon needs to step it up, big time. We really just need to draft Sanu next draft, justs sayin'.

I never bought the Cruz hype, Clayton I love, but is blah on O as Zak stated before. Man, it'd be something to see Thomas live up to his draft slot and be a playmaker for us on O

Giantsfan1080 · 08-31-2011, 11:54 AM

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don't be so harsh on JJ early BBD, he's a 3rd round rookie out of Troy for pete's sake! give him time.

but yeah, Hixon needs to step it up, big time. We really just need to draft Sanu next draft, justs sayin'.

I never bought the Cruz hype, Clayton I love, but is blah on O as Zak stated before. Man, it'd be something to see Thomas live up to his draft slot and be a playmaker for us on O

Or Mark Harrison if he decides to leave early.

bigbluedefense · 08-31-2011, 11:58 AM

I'd love Sanu honestly. He's basically the 2nd coming of Hakeem Nicks.

If our WR core looks the same as is right now come week 17, I'm all for drafting Sanu in round 1. Even over a LB.

I'm going to be patient with Jernigan. I'm just saying, early reviews aren't too good. He just reminds me of Sinorice. And that's never a good thing.

bigbluedefense · 08-31-2011, 12:03 PM

I AM going to be harsh on Beckum though. He sucks.

He just has no place in our offense. He's a glorified big body WR. You figure we would flex him out to the slot and use him in that role but he just seems to struggle running routes.

If you guys think Mario sucks at running routes (he's not great, but he takes more heat than he deserves on this board for it), go watch Beckum. He makes Mario look like Steve Smith.

Giantsfan1080 · 08-31-2011, 12:19 PM

NYG would be mighty happy if we went Sanu in Round 1 I would think. He's pleading for high level offensive players.

Giantsfan1080 · 08-31-2011, 12:21 PM

Beckum has and will always be a terrible draft pick. I still don't understand what they were thinking with him. He's going to be forced into the offense more now so his numbers at the end of the year probably won't look terrible but what a waste.

NY+Giants=NYG · 08-31-2011, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Damn man. Why do we let go of Hagan? He was a very solid player for us. That was a mistake.

Sometimes you have to let go of "potential" and have a couple of bluecollar guys on the roster that can get stuff done when called upon. Hagan and Chase were 2 of those guys.

And now neither are on the roster.

Yeah based on what I read on an Oak Raiders MB they like him. LOL. You didn't know we let him go or chose not to re-sign him? I thought he was a solid player for us.

He is doing well in Oakland for us though.

NY+Giants=NYG · 08-31-2011, 02:30 PM

Hey,

Which member made a play and helped me post a Coughlin transcript based on how complex our offense is? It should be somewhere in the 57 pages, but one member made a play and found it. Can that member re-post it?

OSUGiants17 · 08-31-2011, 02:49 PM

Sanu across from Nicks with Mannigham, Jernegan and Cruz?!? I'm hard just thinking about it lol

Rosebud · 08-31-2011, 02:57 PM

I'm going to worry about our passing game once the games start to matter and it's holding us back. With an improved OL, we'll be running the **** out of the ball. That'll beat defenses up and mean that Eli will have more time in the pocket than he's gotten the past few years. With an easy start to the season and that extra time in the pocket and the easier situations he'll face with an improved running game I expect him to develop chemistry with the young receivers just fine. The short offseason really ****** us in terms of eli getting to build chemistry with some of these guys in the confines of our offensive system.

Giantsfan1080 · 08-31-2011, 02:59 PM

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Hey,

Which member made a play and helped me post a Coughlin transcript based on how complex our offense is? It should be somewhere in the 57 pages, but one member made a play and found it. Can that member re-post it?

I think I helped you might that post might have been in the old Giants discussion thread. We had that problem where the old thread got deleted somehow.

NY+Giants=NYG · 08-31-2011, 03:04 PM

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I think I helped you might that post might have been in the old Giants discussion thread. We had that problem where the old thread got deleted somehow.

Hmm.. where did you find it prior though? Can you find the site? That's such a key quote.

Giantsfan1080 · 08-31-2011, 03:08 PM

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Hmm.. where did you find it prior though? Can you find the site? That's such a key quote.

When I looked the first time I just found it from when you first posted it. I got it off that thread.