New York Giants Discussion - Page 60

NY+Giants=NYG · 09-02-2011, 12:03 PM

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I agree, I think they put him into there to see IF he could do it. And now that he's shown he can't, they are going to go back to someone he knows that can.

That could be like I said, but you'd think they would give that guy some reps in a game time situation. Plus who is that? Darius R? You normally don't put a cold guy who hasnt done it for a year in game time situation and now stick him in there rusty. It's not like they gave him reps to shake off the rust. If they did then I would agree to what you are saying without any doubts. But all indications seemed we were going hardcore with JJ trying to break him in. That goes from practice to games. Every second and every chance we seemed to toss him in and let him swim.

Jughead10 · 09-02-2011, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Still cheaper than Carr.

Yeah. I think Carr is better. It might be worth saving 700,000 though considering we're probably screwed either way if any have to play extensively.

Giantsfan1080 · 09-02-2011, 12:05 PM

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Yeah. I think Carr is better. It might be worth saving 700,000 though considering we're probably screwed either way if any have to play extensively.

This is true. I shudder to think of our team without Eli playing.

Jughead10 · 09-02-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NY+Giants=NYG

That could be like I said, but you'd think they would give that guy some reps in a game time situation. Plus who is that? Darius R? You normally don't put a cold guy who hasnt done it for a year in game time situation and now stick him in there rusty. It's not like they gave him reps to shake off the rust. If they did then I would agree to what you are saying without any doubts. But all indications seemed we were going hardcore with JJ trying to break him in. That goes from practice to games. Every second and every chance we seemed to toss him in and let him swim.

Hixon probably.

Giantsfan1080 · 09-02-2011, 12:06 PM

I am kind of suprised they haven't let anyone else at all return punts. That doesn't make much sense to me.

NYG who punted better last night? Weatherford or Dode?

NY+Giants=NYG · 09-02-2011, 12:08 PM

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Hixon probably.

See I don't like that. And if he gets jacked up, then what? Cruz? Thomas? I'd rather keep him healthy and let him play in all the personnel packages. Unless we plan on making Cruz play Z and move MM as Y, assuming Hixon gets hurt.

Jughead10 · 09-02-2011, 12:13 PM

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See I don't like that. And if he gets jacked up, then what? Cruz? Thomas? I'd rather keep him healthy and let him play in all the personnel packages. Unless we plan on making Cruz play Z and move MM as Y, assuming Hixon gets hurt.

You can't always be worried about people getting jacked up. You're sounding like the commissioner.

From what I have seen, the chances of Jernigan muffing 8 punts throughout the season is much greater than Hixon getting hurt.

NY+Giants=NYG · 09-02-2011, 12:17 PM

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You can't always be worried about people getting jacked up. You're sounding like the commissioner.

From what I have seen, the chances of Jernigan muffing 8 punts throughout the season is much greater than Hixon getting hurt.

I am worried because of depth and impact in terms of scheme. Otherwise I could careless. Fassel did that to Sehorn, and Sehorn was a shell of himself. The rule is dont put your good players back there. That's why you put scrubs there and that's their ticket to make the team.

Hixon's value now with Smith gone has gone up big time in terms of role and meaning for this offense. That's the perspective where I am coming from. If he was there with a better WR in front, then play him all you want. If he gets hurt, that would stink, but ah well.

Giantsfan1080 · 09-02-2011, 12:45 PM

I wonder if Scott can return kicks or punts. I'd love to see his speed on show during specials.

Giantsfan1080 · 09-02-2011, 12:47 PM

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What do you guys think our 53 man roster will look like? My guess is this:

When Barden comes back from the PUP he will most likely take Okpokowuruk's spot

Brian Williams is the extra corner.

Jughead10 · 09-02-2011, 01:19 PM

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Yeah. I think Carr is better. It might be worth saving 700,000 though considering we're probably screwed either way if any have to play extensively.

Actually I screwed this up. We would be saving a significant amount of money by cutting Rosenfels. The 700,000 is just his portion of the signing bonus which would be dead money. But his base salary is 3 milion. So we would be saving 2.3 million. David Carr only makes 800,000 to 900,000.

Jughead10 · 09-02-2011, 01:22 PM

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I am worried because of depth and impact in terms of scheme. Otherwise I could careless. Fassel did that to Sehorn, and Sehorn was a shell of himself. The rule is dont put your good players back there. That's why you put scrubs there and that's their ticket to make the team.

Hixon's value now with Smith gone has gone up big time in terms of role and meaning for this offense. That's the perspective where I am coming from. If he was there with a better WR in front, then play him all you want. If he gets hurt, that would stink, but ah well.

Well Sehorn is a bit different than Hixon. Sehorn was a legitimately very good player. Hixon is still a role player.

NY+Giants=NYG · 09-02-2011, 01:36 PM

Now because of the loss of Smith his value goes up due to his versatility.

Giantsfan1080 · 09-02-2011, 01:38 PM

How about the punter battle last night?

Rosebud · 09-02-2011, 01:40 PM

Seriously. Hixon hasn't separated himself from UDFAs and reclamation projects like Cruz and Thomas, as a WR. So why are we so worried about his health, especially if Cruz ends up getting the third most reps out of our WR corps.

Jughead10 · 09-02-2011, 01:46 PM

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Now because of the loss of Smith his value goes up due to his versatility.

But his main versatility is because of his ability on special teams.

NY+Giants=NYG · 09-02-2011, 01:55 PM

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But his main versatility is because of his ability on special teams.

It adds to it but his versatility comes because he can play all the WR spots. Just like on offensive line versatility is defined as a player who can play OT, OG, or OC when needed. Same with WR. You have to master all the WR spots and do it right, especially in this PHd system.

Rosebud · 09-02-2011, 03:41 PM

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It adds to it but his versatility comes because he can play all the WR spots. Just like on offensive line versatility is defined as a player who can play OT, OG, or OC when needed. Same with WR. You have to master all the WR spots and do it right, especially in this PHd system.

While I appreciate how valuable Hixon's ability to step into all of the different WR spots is to our team, that doesn't mean he's better at those roles than some of the youngins we have who are focusing on one role. I think the staff expects Cruz and Thomas to be able to contribute when called upon, at least that's what I got from Cruz getting so many reps with the 1st string that last game. I mean if Cruz and Thomas bomb as receivers than of course Hixon's importance sky rockets, but despite the struggles we have had I think the coaching staff has faith that those guys and Eli will gel over the early part of our schedule. In which case Hixon isn't so important that we should go with a punt returner who's struggling mightily at holding onto the ball. I mean I don't want to see another Reynauld situation, where I'm celebrating that he didn't muff the punt, even if it puts a guy who's important depth for at a higher risk of injury. Plus I don't for a second buy that the extra snaps returning punts make an injury more likely than if we made him our #3 receiver because of his versatility and didn't get Cruz or Thomas as involved as they might be ready to be.

LonghornsLegend · 09-02-2011, 09:39 PM

Very very upset to hear about Sintim. 1 of my favorite Giants on the team and was always anxious to see him get comfortable in 1 position and blossom. He had a ton of versatility, athleticism, and physical tools to be a stud IMO. Not only is his season done but he'll likely never be the same player. I don't know how if he really hurts you guys more for depth, or as a contributor in 2011, but I felt pretty strongly he could be a very good player for you guys.

NY+Giants=NYG · 09-03-2011, 09:46 AM

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While I appreciate how valuable Hixon's ability to step into all of the different WR spots is to our team, that doesn't mean he's better at those roles than some of the youngins we have who are focusing on one role. I think the staff expects Cruz and Thomas to be able to contribute when called upon, at least that's what I got from Cruz getting so many reps with the 1st string that last game. I mean if Cruz and Thomas bomb as receivers than of course Hixon's importance sky rockets, but despite the struggles we have had I think the coaching staff has faith that those guys and Eli will gel over the early part of our schedule. In which case Hixon isn't so important that we should go with a punt returner who's struggling mightily at holding onto the ball. I mean I don't want to see another Reynauld situation, where I'm celebrating that he didn't muff the punt, even if it puts a guy who's important depth for at a higher risk of injury. Plus I don't for a second buy that the extra snaps returning punts make an injury more likely than if we made him our #3 receiver because of his versatility and didn't get Cruz or Thomas as involved as they might be ready to be.

Hixon I think is the 3rd best due to just being in the system longer. He knows what he is doing. He filled in and played X when Plax went down. He can play Z and Y too. I think that alone lifts his value. I think Cruz has a lot to do to prove himself. I feel more comfortable with Hixon than anyone else. I wouldn't want him to get hurt and then have Cruz put in there. My guess is that he'd just play Z with Mario coming in. I am not sure how he would do if he played Y.

Even Eric on BBI, said we will see in 10 days. I think it may be JJ the way we are force feeding him. If Hixon gets the nod it may be good from the special teams standpoint, but I would not want to risk him because of his value and versatility he brings.

NY+Giants=NYG · 09-03-2011, 10:47 AM

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Very very upset to hear about Sintim. 1 of my favorite Giants on the team and was always anxious to see him get comfortable in 1 position and blossom. He had a ton of versatility, athleticism, and physical tools to be a stud IMO. Not only is his season done but he'll likely never be the same player. I don't know how if he really hurts you guys more for depth, or as a contributor in 2011, but I felt pretty strongly he could be a very good player for you guys.

He looks to be done for a long time.

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Giants backup linebacker Clint Sintim's career appears to be in jeopardy after he suffered a devastating injury to his right knee Thursday.

Sintim, a former second-round pick, ruptured the patella tendon and likely severed the ACL after a chop block in the third quarter of the team's 18-17 exhibition win over the Patriots.

It was the same knee in which Sintim tore the ACL last season, resulting in a grueling rehab and comeback that came to a jarring halt at Gillette Stadium.

Malaka · 09-03-2011, 10:51 AM

Wow, the season hasn't even begun and we have been totally ravaged by injuries. Are we paying some sort of karmic debt after we made history with 18-1? because it seems every year after we have been derailed by injuries year in and year out.

NY+Giants=NYG · 09-03-2011, 10:57 AM

We always are. This is not new. We tend to get killed at 1 or 2 positions every year.

We went from LB to DE to RB to OL/RB and now CB.

Giantsfan1080 · 09-03-2011, 11:57 AM

Weatherford won the punting job.

Giantsfan1080 · 09-03-2011, 12:00 PM

These are the cuts so far.

1.C Jim Cordle

2.WR Darius Reynaud

3.DE Ayanga Okpokuwuruk

4.OL Ikecheku Ndukwe
5.K Rhys Lloyd

6.DE Craig Marshall

7.TE Chris Hopkins

8.DT Gabe Watson

9.DE Alex Hall

10.S Jerrard Tarrant

11.LB/DE Adrian Tracy

12.TE Daniel Coats

13.P Matt Dodge (*Giants may try to trade him before cutting him)