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Let's make a gif thread in the Giants team forum with just a collection of great Giants gifs.

This needs to be done. OSU, go be great and start it off.
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Deal With It is still the the lead dog. That one is close though.
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One less read to make on a route. Does that make that much of a difference for the receivers? "Definitely," Randle told me.


I am getting the sense as if the offensive players, specifically WRs/TE are down right giddy we switched systems. I am been reading every detail and tweet, and its if I can feel their emotion of relief and almost happiness that the system has changed.
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One less read to make on a route. Does that make that much of a difference for the receivers? "Definitely," Randle told me.


I am getting the sense as if the offensive players, specifically WRs/TE are down right giddy we switched systems. I am been reading every detail and tweet, and its if I can feel their emotion of relief and almost happiness that the system has changed.
I am really liking what I am hearing so far from the offence. It is going to take some time to adapt and implement well, but I think the process is well under way
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I'd just like to reiterate, although its fun to talk about stuff, we really have no clue what we have. These 1 yr, 2 yr contracts that are the majority of our playlist make sense because we don't know the direction we want to go ourselves. If anything this is a sign to me that we are making the right decisions to be selective in our foundation of players, and finding fits in-house while still keeping monies for free agent fits.
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Yeah that's what will make this season so interesting. We literally have no idea what this team is. We can go 10-6, we can go 4-12, or we can go in btw and be 8-8. There are so many unknowns that will determine our season. It's going to be quite a ride this year.
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There is a lot of options after this year.

Our roster is able to go in a few different directions.
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We have cut DT Eathyn Manumaleuna and OT Steven Baker

We have signed OT Demarcus Love and DT Everett Dawkins
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here is some comments from the coaches at the end of mini-camp

It is interesting that Sean Ryan (WR), Craig Johnson (RB), Robert Nunn (DL) and Peter Giunta (CB) were not interviewed.


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For the first time this offseason, the Giants made their assistant coaches available to the media. From new offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo, to linebacker’s coach Jim Herrmann, all spent time with reporters. Below you will find some interesting tidbits pulled from those interviews.

TOM QUINN (Special Teams Coordinator)
•Quinn seemed extremely happy about not only his new returners, but gunners as well. The coach spent time praising free-agent acquisition Zack Bowman, along with Trindon Holliday and Quintin Demps.
•Holliday, who has struggled holding onto the ball throughout his career, is being taught “high and tight” according to Quinn.
•It seems as if all returners are going to be dual returners, working both on kicks and punts.
•Personally, when I saw Temple rookie Brandon McManus’ name on the Giants’ roster, I assumed it was nothing more than a leg to give Josh Brown a break. According to Quinn, that isn’t really the case. It looks like McManus will be given every chance to win the kicking job. Quinn raved about the 22-year-old’s accuracy and ability to kick in cold weather.

BEN McADOO (Offensive Coordinator)
•McAdoo seemed to echo what Tom Coughlin said a few weeks ago, the offense is a work in progress. Has there been progress? Yes. Is it “mastered?” No. It’s going to take time, but the first-year play caller seemed excited about where things are headed.
•As of right now, McAdoo isn’t exactly sure where he will be calling plays, just that he will be. McAdoo said he expects to be on the field, but that’s not certain.
•Trindon Holliday, who has impressed in camp, hasn’t just taken reporters by surprise, but the coaching staff, too. McAdoo said he’s making plays and looked good as a slot receiver. “He’s been a pleasant surprise.”
•In offenses across the NFL, the fullback position has slowly but surely been disappearing. That apparently won’t be the case in New York. While the exact role is in the air, a fullback will be used: “The way I was raised, the full back was a big part of the things you do.”

KEVIN GILBRIDE JR. (Tight Ends Coach)
•Gilbride, the son of former Giants’ offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride Sr., said his dad is doing well and enjoying life away from football. Jr. said his dad has been taking time to speak at football clinics and high schools, something he always wanted to do but wasn’t able to when coaching.
•As far as Adrien Robinson, Gilbride said he’s been extremely active in the meeting rooms. The biggest issue with Robinson is that when the coaching staff tries to teach him too much, he forgets some of the basics.

DANNY LANGSDORF (Quarterbacks Coach)
•Langsdorf said that he has been excited and pleased with Eli Manning. The coaching staff has worked with Manning on improving some of his footwork, accuracy, ball fakes and other mechanics.
•Ryan Nassib has impressed Langsdorf with his intelligence and praised the quarterback for getting people lined up correctly. Another attribute that Langsdorf credited was Nassib’s mobility, saying he has the ability to extend plays and take off.

PAT FLAHERTY (Offensive Line Coach)
•The Giants’ offensive line has been one of the more revamped positions in the offseason and Flaherty said it’s been a little different not seeing the same faces. As of today, the coach still doesn’t know who will start versus Detroit. It seems like an open competition.
•John Jerry, who has been sidelined with an injury, was brought in to start according to Flaherty. If Snee isn’t able to go, looks like position is his. Side note, Flaherty did say he doesn’t know what he has with the line simply because the team isn’t in pads. He doesn’t seem to like the “no contact” rules.

PERRY FEWELL (Defensive Coordinator)
•Perry Fewell seems very excited about the secondary and what he’ll be able to do with it. The coach mentioned multiple times about the potential the group has with all the new acquisitions.
•Another area Fewell seems excited for is the linebacking unit, and in particular, the rookies. Fewell is very intrigued by rookies Devon Kennard and Dan Fox, saying both are extremely intelligent.
•Two players that have stuck out to Fewell: Johnathan Hankins & Marcus Kuhn.

JIM HERRMANN (Linebackers Coach)
•After three years, it looks like Jacquian Williams is finally starting to put everything together. Herrmann offered high praise to the linebacker saying he has taken the next step during the offseason. After playing strictly in the nickel package, Williams is now the starter in the base 4-3 as well. “He made a big jump this spring.”
•Herrmann, similar to Fewell, credited Dan Fox’s intelligence as a strong part of his game.

DAVID MERRITT (Safeties Coach)
•Merritt offered two big pieces of information: 1- Antrel Rolle has just begun to reach his true potential 2- Quintin Demps wants to play more in the box. Apparently when Demps signed, he went to Merritt with the goal and the coach told him he’d help him get there. After watching players like Eric Berry have success, Demps wants to try it out too


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1. Dawkins was originally selected by the Minnesota Vikings in the seventh round (229th overall) of the 2013 NFL Draft. Dallas signed Dawkins off the Vikings’ practice squad in November and released him later that month. Tampa Bay then signed Dawkins to its practice squad but waived him on June 13.

2. Dawkins has played in one NFL game in his career, suiting up for the Cowboys last season in a Week 10 loss to New Orleans.

3. Height: 6-2. Weight: 298. Age: 24.

4. He started 41 times in 57 career games at Florida State, where he was 5-0 in postseason bowl games. Dawkins earned All-ACC second-team honors following his senior campaign and was one of four members from the Seminoles defensive line to be drafted in 2013 along with Bjoern Werner (IND), Tank Carradine (SF) and Branden Jenkins (WAS).

5. A native of Spartanburg, S.C., Dawkins earned All-State honors at defensive end for powerhouse Byrnes High School and led his team to a state championship along with a 15-0 record as a senior. He was a high school teammate of San Francisco running back Marcus Lattimore.
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1. Love, 6-4 and 315 pounds, was originally selected by the Minnesota Vikings in the sixth round (168th overall) of the 2011 NFL Draft by Minnesota and has yet to play in an NFL game.

2. Transactions: Waived by Minnesota on 10/01/13; Signed by Jacksonville to the practice squad on 10/3/13; Promoted to the active roster by Jacksonville on 10/8/13; Waived by Jacksonville on 11/4/13; Signed by Jacksonville to the practice squad on 11/6/13.

3. Love spent his entire rookie season (2011) on the 53-man active roster, but was inactive for all 16 games and missed the 2012 season with torn pectoral muscle.

4. A four-year letterman at Arkansas, Love was named team captain for the final two seasons and earned All-SEC first-team honors as a senior after moving to left tackle.

He played in 45 games with 37 starts during his college career, of which 26 came at tackle and 11 at guard.

5. A native of Lancaster Texas, he attended David W. Carter High School in Dallas, where he was teammates with 49ers wide receiver Michael Crabtree.
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I tried fighting it forever but I wound up reading minicamp reports.

All the screen pass drills pls. I'm starting to get wet thinking about this offense.
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I think there is a lot to like about this offence, it will be very interesting. There will be rough patches particularly earlier in the season but it will be more explosive.

I am really liking how we are shaping up on special teams, I think that can be a team strength.

I think Fewell's defence could also surprise a little.
Traditionally the Giants have been built on a quality Dline. If you look back to Fewell's success in Buffalo, it was built from a quality secondary. Well I think we now have perhaps the best talent and depth in the secondary in quite a long time.
I think our defensive line (particularly if JPP is healthy) can be good enough, and our LBs should be decent.
I wonder if the secondary talent will allow Fewell to do more things that we haven't been able to do in the past.

I found Dave Merritt's comments about Antrel Rolle very intriguing

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"Antrel is now starting to understand, he’s starting to develop as a safety. He was a corner, as we all know … now all of a sudden he’s a safety and he’s now starting to understand the position more so than ever," Merritt said. "The last two years it’s all coming together for him and he’s feeling more comfortable."

"With Antrel’s ability to continue to learn and grow he hasn’t, in my opinion, hasn’t scratched [the surface of] his ability as a safety yet. Last year as a glimpse of what Antrel could actually become. Just imagine if he had started that maybe eight years before at the position," Merritt added. "Again, the first couple of years you all know we played him at nickel, we played him at bison, we played him at corner, we played him at safety and now he’s able to just play strictly safety and it’s coming together for him well."
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I do like the way the team is shaping up.

We have a good mix of experienced vets who provide experience and leadership like Manning, Snee, Rolle, Jenkins, Cruz and Beason.

We have a good mix of experienced veterans who have experience like DRC, Schwartz, Amukamara, Walton, Thurmond, McClain, Jennings, Conner

We have a good mix of talented youngsters with so, some younger players who are starting to flash/emerge like Randle, Williams, Robinson, Jernigan and Hankins.

And there plenty of competition and definite opportunity at every position.

While I will disagree on some of the options with the roster, I think our team has a lot of potential.

I do think there will be some surprises in training camp

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Our linebackers are trash. And I think we're overstating our secondary. Our best secondary was when Webster was still lockdown, we had Rolle and Kenny at safety, and we had Terrell Thomas on the other side. That secondary was better than this one.

Linebackers are trash, secondary is good but let's not overstate it, and DL has taken a major step back from our glory days. Last year was an abberation, the defense is going to take a step back this year and fall back in line statistically with what it has been for the past 4 years.

Offense will improve, defense will regress.
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I tried fighting it forever but I wound up reading minicamp reports.

All the screen pass drills pls. I'm starting to get wet thinking about this offense.

Yeah that's why I don't really worry about Eli and the offense executing screens and short game passes. We are practicing them, designing drills for those concepts. Same with check downs. We have been throwing a lot of them too.

This is what I hoped we would have from day 1, when we drafted Eli. Allowing him to get used to the NFL, and making it easy on our offense players.
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Yeah that's why I don't really worry about Eli and the offense executing screens and short game passes. We are practicing them, designing drills for those concepts. Same with check downs. We have been throwing a lot of them too.

This is what I hoped we would have from day 1, when we drafted Eli. Allowing him to get used to the NFL, and making it easy on our offense players.
Eli still needs to clean up his mechanics though. This offense stresses short area accuracy, which is not a strength for Eli. I hope the qb coach is really stressing mechanics with him and reprograming his footwork. He needs it. His best year was when Sullivan was his qb coach and stressed more mechanics drills than in the past, that's when Eli had his best year. He needs to do that again.

What makes Brady arguably the GOAT is his dedication to constantly working on his mechanics in the offseason. It's something I wish Eli did more of.
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• Among the league’s best on passes in the 5-10 yard range (+6.5).
• Graded at +9.1 on 3rd-and-Medium.
• Threw best between the numbers (+3.8).
• Graded at +11.6 when throwing to outside wide receivers.
• Did his best work when throwing in <= 2.0 seconds (+2.6) and the 3.1-to-3.5-second range (+5.0).
• Best routes were slants (+6.9), ins (+5.4), and comebacks (+5.3).
• Graded at +2.7 on 4-to-6-yard drop-backs
I am not a big PFF or stat site fan. Turning football in a prob/stat class. But this shows otherwise. In fact, short throws is an Eli strength this past year.
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That's bc his OL only gave him like 1 second to throw it. Eli has always been one of the best, if not the best deep ball thrower in the league throughout his career.

A lot of that is due to system, repetition and practice of course.
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That's bc his OL only gave him like 1 second to throw it. Eli has always been one of the best, if not the best deep ball thrower in the league throughout his career.

A lot of that is due to system, repetition and practice of course.
Yes, and so we had to run those concepts. However, he could have still stunk at it. Then he could have messed those throws up as well. However, he didn't which indicates he adjusted to the pressure.

Now we are using this as part of our system philosophy. So if he excelled at it out of need, now I expect him to do better with it being part of the overall system.

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That's bc his OL only gave him like 1 second to throw it. Eli has always been one of the best, if not the best deep ball thrower in the league throughout his career.

A lot of that is due to system, repetition and practice of course.
Agreed, when Eli was under Gilbride's system he had a lot of deep ball opportunities that he was very good at down the field. He doesn't have the strongest arm, but he has a good feel for his long ball and overly trusts his receiver to come up with it (sometimes backfires).

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Our linebackers are trash. And I think we're overstating our secondary. Our best secondary was when Webster was still lockdown, we had Rolle and Kenny at safety, and we had Terrell Thomas on the other side. That secondary was better than this one.

Linebackers are trash, secondary is good but let's not overstate it, and DL has taken a major step back from our glory days. Last year was an abberation, the defense is going to take a step back this year and fall back in line statistically with what it has been for the past 4 years.

Offense will improve, defense will regress.
Except for Webster was lockdown for like a season and a half, Kenny was out often with chronic injury of his knee, Rolle was still transitioning to safety, and T2 unfortunately blew out his knee at the wrong time. That all translates to a very small window where we had all healthy and in form.

I disagree that that secondary is better than this one because of multiple premises, one being the window of actual good healthy play, two being that we haven't seen this secondary together, and three because Perry hadn't been our coordinator for long, maybe he has developed more scheme diversity?

Like people have mentioned before, we seem to get a lot of man-to-man corners with a more zone mentality relied coach. With the exception of T2, I don't think we have had a corner more adept at zone than man in recent history. So why did we play zone so often? Is it because linebackers don't match up? we add a safety. Is it because we get beat inside on quick WCO? mixing coverages can prevent that. Some of the things that we claim Perry has been awful with (which he has), he has adjusted to accordingly. I think that a lot of our problem was the match of coordinating and personnel, yes, but I do think Perry will be better knowing that he has made adjustments.

DRC is not a man-press corner, those who claim that don't see how he was used in Denver or Arizona where he was playing his best and Philly where he did that and was very ineffective. He's an off-man or zone corner because of his matching of length and agility and LACK OF STRENGTH. You get a bad jam, it makes him play catchup which can result in complete abandonment of run responsibilities or a big play. you give him space to read the route or quarterback and close the window, or even see the guards pull you get a good play.

Prince is definitely not a zone corner (although he's gotten better), he's a man corner with some ability to press. Walter Thurmond is a jack of all trades type of defender, as is McBride. I sense a trend here...

We give the appearance of a man team, but we have the versatility to mix coverages as opposed to in past seasons where we had players that really weren't fit to play zone because they lost speed, agility, or they just downright sucked (Webster, Ross, T2, and Prince).

Lets just wait until we see what we have, because I like the direction thus far.
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Webster was lockdown from 08 to 2012. He had a good run. We miss him a lot actually.

I think we're assuming too much about DRC. He could go back to his lock down ways or he could be a dud. We don't know yet. He's been both excellent and trash in his career, I wouldn't annoint him just yet.

And Terrell Thomas from 08-10 was a better CB than Prince is now. It's unfortunate that he tore his ACL but that 2 year window he was absolutely better than Prince. We didn't even know if we wanted to exercise Prince's option this year, but we were ready to throw a bunch of money at TT before he tore his knee up.

I think we're assuming a lot with this current secondary. Afterall, Thurmond played in a loaded defense with no attention his way, plus he only got a 1 year deal so the market for him wasn't huge. Prince isn't all that great. His ceiling is that of a very good #2 but he's not there yet. He's stiff, lacks speed and has short arms. DRC is a toss up.

Rolle is a year older. And who knows what Stevie Brown will be. So how exactly is this our best secondary? It's really not. And if all the balls bounce the wrong way, it could actually wind up being a pretty mediocre one.
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