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Old 08-01-2014, 10:37 AM    (permalink
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But then you had Nicks, Cruz, Smith, Hixon and others that got it right away. It's such a weird thing looking back.

Yeah but out of those who mastered it. I still think it was Steve Smith. Nicks made mistakes as did the others. Cruz a few but not a lot. But we still had WR go one way and ball go another.

They got the system, but how much better would they be in this new system? Sometimes I wonder if drafting players who don't fit your system is a waste of a pick, but also is unfair to the player. Moss faded away, but who knows, in this system could have carved a niche in the NFL.

Like the 9ers drafting Alex Smith, but have 7 OCs and systems in 7 years. It's stupid to ruin a players career like that. Another one is draft a DE like Kiwi and then play musical positions. I wonder how he would have done at DE from day 1 without a change.
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To be fair, I think Smith benefited from the system. The system was built for guys like him who knew how to find holes in coverage and get open.

I'm actually curious to see how Cruz does in this new system bc I think the system helped him as well. The system was great for slot receivers who had a brain on em.

It sucked for everyone else but the slot WR should have loved it. Jernigan and Moss were just dumbasses, and Moss just plain sucked so there's that.
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To be fair, I think Smith benefited from the system. The system was built for guys like him who knew how to find holes in coverage and get open.

I'm actually curious to see how Cruz does in this new system bc I think the system helped him as well. The system was great for slot receivers who had a brain on em.

It sucked for everyone else but the slot WR should have loved it. Jernigan and Moss were just dumbasses, and Moss just plain sucked so there's that.
I think he'll still be awesome but I don't expect as many crazy big plays.
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To be fair, I think Smith benefited from the system. The system was built for guys like him who knew how to find holes in coverage and get open.

I'm actually curious to see how Cruz does in this new system bc I think the system helped him as well. The system was great for slot receivers who had a brain on em.

It sucked for everyone else but the slot WR should have loved it. Jernigan and Moss were just dumbasses, and Moss just plain sucked so there's that.

Yeah and we can see if Cruz can excel in this one or not too. The system helped slot WRs I agree. But Smith was a WR who never really made mistakes. I have seen Cruz make a few and still remember them. The others were really streaky. This goes for TEs too. Shockey, Myers, and in MB. We had this with Plax and Toomer early on too.

Moss sucked in our system. I wonder who he would do just running screens, and slants. That's basically what this system is.
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I think he'll still be awesome but I don't expect as many crazy big plays.
Same here. He was so good at making adjustments downfield, and now he'll no longer have that option (I think, I still have to learn this new offense).

The option route offense is so different than a WCO in the sense that you use different techniques to get open. "Route running" takes on a different concept.

For example, being a good route runner in Gilbride's offense requires patience and the ability to find holes and sit in them etc. The ability to use momentum and the defender's coverage techniques/leverage against him to get open and also to identify holes in coverage.

In a WCO, you run your route. So the key to being a good route runner is being precise in the depth of your stem, the precision of your cut, the angle of your cut, and using jukes/head movements/hand usage etc to get your defending moving in a different direction than your route.

It gives you less wiggle room to operate. So you have to pay attention to details more in the precision of your actual route. Which isn't easy either.

NYG can probably elaborate on this more than I can.
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Sanu would have been so amazing in the old system.
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I am curious to see how Barden would do. This Harris WR looks to be shining. Perhaps he makes the squad. I like rooting for the underdog.
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http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/20...training-camp/

Marcus Harris I believe is his name.
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Thanks NYG. Actually haven't heard of him since now. I guess I'm not as crazy following this stuff as I was in the past.
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It's bc we realize now that so few of those fringe guys ever make any impact on the team when the season starts, it's just not worth investing energy and time into finding out about them.

Every now and then you find a gem. And it's great when you do. But most will amount to nothing unfortunately.
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That could certainly be it also.
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This guy has been making plays left and right. So that's why I been following him. I think now we could use any WR.
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Guys! Guys! Guys! Guys! There's giants football on tonight! It's here!!! I mean yeah it's only preseason but it's 1 step close to the real thing. I'm giddy
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This is an opportunity for a lot of guys.

here are good articles on the preview for this game.

http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/20...-game-preview/

http://insidefootball.com/2014/08/03...ore-8261<br />

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Want to see Moore, Hankins, and the rooks.
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Want to see Moore, Hankins, and the rooks.
I am adding in Nassib, Mosley, Donnell, Harris, Taylor as well

I want to see how the offensive line in general shapes up
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I want to see how the offensive line in general shapes up
I'll agree about Nassib and the OL. Richburg especially.
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I don't think we're going to find that out tonight.
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Andre Williams super impressive. Whoa.
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I am only seeing the stats, how is the Oline going? I know they gave up a sack but the ground game looks decent
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I am not surprised, this guy can run the ball.

At BC everyone knew he was getting the ball and he still performed.

I want to see his hands and his pass blocking
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I am only seeing the stats, how is the Oline going? I know they gave up a sack but the ground game looks decent
OL looks awful.
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OL looks awful.
ok I guess there are new combinations to settle in. The Bills have a decent D too
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