Players that Scott Wright Overrated - Page 5

yourfavestoner · 02-17-2011, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TACKLE

That's interesting. Why?

The game was on the line, and he only had to go about six inches on a QB sneak to win the game. He wanted absolutely nothing to do with it. I know, I know, he drove them down there. But if it weren't for Bush, he would have just gotten stonewalled and fell to the ground on that last play.

ElectricEye · 02-17-2011, 11:21 AM

That's still one of the better college football games I've ever seen. That USC team played in some epics.

MI_Buckeye · 02-17-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Wright

I honestly believe Reggie Bush has turned into exactly the type of player I envisioned.

Anyone who thought he was going to be an elite starting running back was kidding themselves. Bush is and always was a versatile, all-around threat best suited for a third down role.

OH COME ON!!!!

You do not rank a guy No. 1 overall and expect him to be a slightly above average change-of-pace back. If you really did not think he was going to be an elite starting running back and still put him No. 1, it makes me think you are way too susceptible to peer pressure.

Mind you, I am not trying to be snarky. We were all wrong about Bush. I remember when I was ranking my top 100 for that draft, I had Bush No. 6, one spot lower than Deangelo Williams, which means I was WAY lower on Reggie than most others, and I still admit he is nowhere near the player I thought he would be.

Sniper · 02-17-2011, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MI_Buckeye

OH COME ON!!!!

You do not rank a guy No. 1 overall and expect him to be a slightly above average change-of-pace back. If you really did not think he was going to be an elite starting running back and still put him No. 1, it makes me think you are way too susceptible to peer pressure.

This.

As yfs posted earlier,

It's hard to say that you didn't expect Bush to be a superstar after the glowing things on this report, the elite grade and the No. 1 overall spot. For the record, I fully expected Reggie to be a Hall of Famer, but it's clear that he hasn't panned out as expected.

On the flip side, he's one of my top-five favorite college players of all-time, including Michigan players.

ElectricEye · 02-17-2011, 01:12 PM

I still find it to be pretty inexplicable that Bush has been as meh as he has been. I can understand him not being good in the NFL for some reason, but to be as complete a non-factor as he is the majority of the time when he was amazing in college is puzzling.

PossibleCabbage · 02-17-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ElectricEye

I still find it to be pretty inexplicable that Bush has been as meh as he has been. I can understand him not being good in the NFL for some reason, but to be as complete a non-factor as he is the majority of the time when he was amazing in college is puzzling.

Maybe he's just happy that he's got (lots and lots of) money now, and doesn't care as much as he used to? It happens sometimes to 25 year olds who come into a lot of money.

BuddyCHRIST · 02-17-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by yourfavestoner

The game was on the line, and he only had to go about six inches on a QB sneak to win the game. He wanted absolutely nothing to do with it. I know, I know, he drove them down there. But if it weren't for Bush, he would have just gotten stonewalled and fell to the ground on that last play.

Thats a big reach, he audibled and made a huge throw on 4th down to even get them down there. And on the play to win the game he took the ball in his hands and tried to make the play himself. A QB sneak is 99% about the OLine push anyways, no way on earth can you knock him for Bush pushing him (which may or may not have actually affected him scoring).

BeerBaron · 02-17-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ElectricEye

I still find it to be pretty inexplicable that Bush has been as meh as he has been. I can understand him not being good in the NFL for some reason, but to be as complete a non-factor as he is the majority of the time when he was amazing in college is puzzling.

This is why I feel as though he's a pretty major bust. Even as a pure 3rd down back (I prefer using the term passing situations back because in today's NFL, they don't just get used on 3rd downs...anywho) he hasn't been as good as others who had far less expectations upon them.

If you ask a group of well informed NFL followers who they'd rather have: Danny Woodhead or Reggie Bush...I think they'd take Woodhead.

CheechHarvin12 · 02-17-2011, 02:26 PM

Just out of curiousity, I looked up Bush's career stats so far.
In 5 years,
524 car, 2090 yds, 17 tds rushing (4.0 ypc...Ick)
294 rec, 2142 yds, 12 tds receiving(7.3 ypc...ok)
92 returns, 720 yds, 4 tds (7.8 per, pretty good...I threw his one KR)

Overall, 4952 total offense, 33 tds.

Just for comparison, Deangelo Williams has 4329 total offense, 35 tds over that time.

Obviously, Bush was (and is) overrated by many, but maybe half the issue is that he needs to be categorized as a RB or WR or 3rd down RB or punt returner, when in reality, he is really just an ok rb + ok WR + good PR, which adds up to something more than each individually. I think what was overrated is how his skill set would translate to the nfl, not the skill set itself necessarily. If we look back at that draft, I think you still take him where he was taken for the chance/upside that he would be as dominant in the pros as he was in college. There really wasn't much question at the time as to his worth as a top 5 type of guy at worst. Hindsight is 20-20, for sure, and he obviously could have been better. If only he never got with a Khadashian....

Ghost of Juice · 02-17-2011, 05:29 PM

It didn't hurt that he had Drew Brees as his QB and Deangelo Williams had s**t
Also I'm sure kim kardashian was the reason for him being a disappointment.

Docta · 02-17-2011, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AntoinCD

Scott how did you miss so badly in 2008 with Danny Woodhead and BenJarvus Green-Ellis? 30 and 32 in the RBs. Come on it was clear as day that they were going to be stars ;)

Woodhead is only a star in the Patriots offense. He wouldn't fit in on most teams. That's why the Jets waived him.

BeerBaron · 02-17-2011, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Docta

Woodhead is only a star in the Patriots offense. He wouldn't fit in on most teams. That's why the Jets waived him.

This gentleman here is the reason why the Jets waived Woodhead.

Halsey · 02-17-2011, 08:34 PM

I just want to add that I don't feel LaVar Arrington's inability to live up to huge expectations was totally about injuries. He didn't have the best attitude in the world. Maybe I expected too much of him in the NFL, but I thought he could have been much better than he was.

gpngc · 02-17-2011, 08:52 PM

The Saints definitely coached Bush to be the type of player that he is.

They discourage him to run inside because they have cost-effective alternatives (Thomas, Ivory) to take that beating.

And it's been successful (in terms of winning). He's also a factor when he doesn't touch the ball (you have to gameplan on him and account for the edges when he's on the field) and makes a difference in field position. I think his overall impact is greater than the stats suggest.

BeerBaron · 02-17-2011, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gpngc

The Saints definitely coached Bush to be the type of player that he is.

They discourage him to run inside because they have cost-effective alternatives (Thomas, Ivory) to take that beating.

And it's been successful (in terms of winning). He's also a factor when he doesn't touch the ball (you have to gameplan on him and account for the edges when he's on the field) and makes a difference in field position. I think his overall impact is greater than the stats suggest.

Still not worth the 2nd overall pick of the draft.

Caulibflower · 02-17-2011, 09:48 PM

When you add his stats together, he averages about 70 yards per game, rushing and receiving. That's really not bad. 4 career PR touchdowns is about what people expected him to have at this point in his career. But, ultimately, Reggie Bush was drafted to be a big-play guy, and that's what he isn't. He has a serious lack of long runs in his career. He only has 10 runs over twenty yards in is career. That's an average of two per year. It takes him, statistically, 52 runs before he breaks a 20-yarder. And in his career, he only has two runs over 40 yards. DeAngelo Williams was brought up, so I'll compare the two: Williams has 36 runs of over 20 yards on 841 carries. That's a big run every 23 carries. And when you think about it, Reggie Bush has been playing in a wide-open, explosive offense with Drew Brees and his receivers scaring secondaries, while the best Williams has had was Jake Delhomme. You can look at receiving ability, too; they both have the same career yards-per-catch, but again, Williams has been almost three times as likely to take a reception over twenty yards as Reggie does.

Reggie Bush was drafted to be a big-play player. Not just a chain-mover. And regardless of what you think of his value to the Saints offense, the fact remains that he is hasn't proven to be an explosive player. He's a fast player, an agile player, he's hard to tackle, but he's an inefficient runner who dances too much and consequently loses a lot of yards he could've gotten if he would simply plant his foot and get another couple. It's as though he's trying to get the huge play without anyone touching him every time he gets the ball, and the defenders use that to their advantage. For where he was drafted and what was expected of him, he's a bust.

yourfavestoner · 02-17-2011, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Halsey

I just want to add that I don't feel LaVar Arrington's inability to live up to huge expectations was totally about injuries. He didn't have the best attitude in the world. Maybe I expected too much of him in the NFL, but I thought he could have been much better than he was.

Arrington's problem was that he tried to freelance like Lawrence Taylor without being as good as Lawrence Taylor.

A Perfect Score · 02-17-2011, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Halsey

I just want to add that I don't feel LaVar Arrington's inability to live up to huge expectations was totally about injuries. He didn't have the best attitude in the world. Maybe I expected too much of him in the NFL, but I thought he could have been much better than he was.

I think people forget that for a time, LaVar Arrington was absolutely dominant. He had a habit of freelancing, but the guy was one of the premier LBers in the game during his heydey. In fact, outside of Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher and Derrick Brooks, you probably could have made a case for Arrington being one of the best LBs in the league.

yourfavestoner · 02-17-2011, 09:55 PM

Now that I think about it, there are a lot of similarities between Arrington and LT. Both were picked second overall. They have similar skillsets. They have similar styles of play. And they both had their careers ended by achilles tendon injuries.

Part of the problem with Arrington, too, is that he never really got used properly. The only coach that ever let him just bumrush the **** out of the quarterback on every play (let him line up with his hand on the ground a lot, too) was Marvin Lewis - and he was there for only one season IIRC.

So yeah. Arrington is basically a homeless man's LT.

wonderbredd24 · 02-17-2011, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

I think people forget that for a time, LaVar Arrington was absolutely dominant. He had a habit of freelancing, but the guy was one of the premier LBers in the game during his heydey. In fact, outside of Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher and Derrick Brooks, you probably could have made a case for Arrington being one of the best LBs in the league.

This is exactly what I was thinking as I watched him get steamrolled by Dorsey Levens.

He was never that good. For all of the plays he made, he took himself out of twice as many because he was such a moron. I am sure you can put together a pretty nice Arrington highlight film, but he was a absolute bum on the coaches tape.

descendency · 02-17-2011, 10:44 PM

Ricky Sapp. The guy obviously can't play football. I can't say it was only Scott, but Sapp sucks. (and i protested anyone who even sniffed Sapp to the Patriots)

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Originally Posted by yourfavestoner

Arrington is basically a homeless man's LT.

LMAO. YFS is one of DCs best posters.

edit: weighing in on Reggie Bush. I heard someone I respect quite a bit say that he was a 10 play a game kind of guy (in the time when everyone still believed in franchise running backs) and I dropped Bush into the late part of the first round. Then again, I thought LenWhale White was a better back. . . :/

WCH · 02-17-2011, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost of Juice

Also I'm sure kim kardashian was the reason for him being a disappointment.

This makes as much sense as anything else.

And I remember Metcalf. Good comparison for Bush, but Metcalf was a better receiver.

DcmRulz · 02-18-2011, 01:06 AM

I'm proud of the fact that I remember liking Deangelo Williams better than reggie bush in 06 and thinking that Brady Quinn sucked. (my logic being that i disregarded receiving yards at the time and i didn't really see it in Quinn)

I also hated Adrian Peterson to the vikings because he was too injury-prone and that Taylor had >1000 yards, and Loving Jamarcus Russell. oh well.

billsfootball15 · 02-18-2011, 01:21 AM

listen, we can all say what we want about the Bush thing, and Ive read everything so far and we can say all we want, but theres one thing that matters…he contributed (small or large role is up to you to decide, but nontheless still had a role) in the helping the Saints win the Super Bowl. Thats all that matters, he was there and he played a part, he doesn't have to be Barry Sanders and in fact he isn't because his team won a championship, something Barry regardless of how good he was could never do. Would the Saints do the pick over again? I think they would say no because they are content with the threat Bush provides and he now has a ring to show for it.

FUNBUNCHER · 02-18-2011, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by yourfavestoner

Arrington's problem was that he tried to freelance like Lawrence Taylor without being as good as Lawrence Taylor.

LA was a supersixed 43 weakside rush 'backer. When he arrived in D.C., they put him on the strongside over the TE and made him cover and set the edge on run plays.
He was solid doing this but that's not why he was drafted 2nd overall.

IF, if Arrington had been played on the weakside his entire career in D.C. had been told to attack the backfield, he would have been a perennial all pro.

D coordinators in Washington for some reason were reluctant to move him around consistently and give him favorable blitz matchups.

I do agree however that Arrington thought he could play Lawrence Taylor's game and free lance whenever and he simply did not have that level of football instincts. Maybe a handful of players in the NFL ever have, Polamalu and Ed Reed being two of them.

I wouldn't call him a flat out bust, almost every year he was the SKins best defender, but I will admit he fell far short of expectations.

About Reggie Bush, I thought he was supposed to be Marshall Faulk 2.0.

He's not even close to that level and I think it has more to do with than just injuries.

I still question his vision and pure running instincts. Being able to make a player miss is not the same as recognizing running lanes just before they open up, reading his blockers and being able to hit cutbacks.

I think Reggie runs a little scared/out of control in the NFL and that's part of the reason he's not the 'back he was in college.

Who thinks Bush will EVER rush for 1000 yards in a season, or catch 85 balls and/or 800 yards???

He's beyond a disappointment and IMO no one saw it coming.