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Old 02-22-2011, 04:32 PM    (permalink
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PL loved Jennings so I think he might have seen him play once. I'm sure he was the only one though!
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"Jennings is not much a a deep threat and won't stretch the field."

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not that i expect you to ever answer a direct question or admit that you made something up to make yourself sound smart, but do you honestly think no one ever saw a western michigan game? do you ever think before hitting submit reply?
Yeah, it's not like one of the Head Moderators here attended four WMU games during Jennings' senior season and wore a Greg Jennings WMU sig for months leading up to the draft...
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I LOVED Jennings and wanted the Patriots to pick him. Didn't think he would drafted as high as he was though. Defiantly saw him play multiple times in college his Junior and Senior seasons and was very impressed. I thought Jamarko Simmons was going to be something too. Was wrong on that one haha.
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Jennings (10th rated WR)


Collins (19th rated CB)


To be fair, WR and DB are the two hardest position groups to scout for the average fan since you rarely see them in the play. You need coaches tape to scout them properly.
My Greg Jennings scouting report from that year:

Strengths: He puts da team on his back do.

Weaknesses: Occasionally breaks his leg.
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"Jennings is not much a a deep threat and won't stretch the field."

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"Can make his mark as a #3 or possession receiver in the NFL"
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Nobody was arguing about Nick Collins' physical abilities, but it did take him a while to turn into an effective starting safety. That scouting report wasn't that far off. A lot of it comes down to the coaching they get.
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My Greg Jennings scouting report from that year:

Strengths: He puts da team on his back do.

Weaknesses: Occasionally breaks his leg.
Damn... This made my drink come out my nose.
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Scott's strengths for Jennings were dead on. The rest, not so much, but if you stop reading after the strengths he looks like a genius.

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Nobody was arguing about Nick Collins' physical abilities, but it did take him a while to turn into an effective starting safety. That scouting report wasn't that far off. A lot of it comes down to the coaching they get.
He was an effective starting safety as a rookie.
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Right, this will be his 5th year.
They 100% want him back, as Green Bay wants AJ Hawk back 100% but he has a ridiculously high $ on the books for 011, but you're talking about silly cap #'s..... not busts.

People love to throw the word "bust" around these days. Guys like Bush may not have lived up to some people's unrealistic expectations, but he's certainly no bust. He's exactly who Scott said he was and he's been good enough that the Saints definitely want to keep him.
Well, AJ Hawk just got cut today. Wompwompwomp.
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Well, AJ Hawk just got cut today. Wompwompwomp.
Wouldn't be surprised if Bush gets cut tomorrow. It depends on "at what point Bush's ridiculous 2011 escalator will become guaranteed" more than anything else.

Packers are still looking to resign Hawk, they just cut him to avoid being on the hook for $10.5m once the league starts. For high picks signed to six year contracts, generally the sixth year serves as a sort of proxy for free agency where a team can "resign" the player for roughly the cost of a high priced free agent for a year or cut him and make him an actual free agent.
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Shame AJ Hawk became such an average player. I wonder what were some of his negatives Scott had in his scouting reports that made him underachieve in Green Bay
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Here's Scott's scouting report on Hawk. It's not too far off of what happened. Just "impact", "playmaker", "good in coverage", and "good at shedding blocks" were absent.

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I don't think it's fair to call Scott out for missing on someone EVERYONE missed on. AJ Hawk was far from polarizing.
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It's not like he's bad either. He hasn't lived up to the 5th pick, that's for sure, but he'd still start on most teams. There are so very many players he, and everyone else, have gotten more wrong than Hawk.
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It's not like he's bad either. He hasn't lived up to the 5th pick, that's for sure, but he'd still start on most teams. There are so very many players he, and everyone else, have gotten more wrong than Hawk.
For the record, I wasn't calling out Scott, but rather J-Mike.
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I don't think it's fair to call Scott out for missing on someone EVERYONE missed on. AJ Hawk was far from polarizing.
No, Hawk ended up a lot of what people thought he would: safe and unspectacular. He wasn't cut because he was playing bad, he was cut because the sixth year of his rookie contract was never intended to served out (this is common for high picks).

I just posted the scouting report because someone posted something about wondering about Scott's scouting report on A.J. Scott was pretty close on A.J., but then again so were most people.
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People did not think Hawk was going to safe and unspectacular. They thought he was going to be Patrick Willis.
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Oh, and just FYI: Lance Allen at WTMJ out of Milwaukee (one of the Packers flagship radio stations) is reporting that Hawk is flying into Green Bay tomorrow to sign a 5 year contract.

So it was a brief divorce.

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This. I remember most people saying that he'd be amazing, myself included.
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I'll be the first to admit I thought AJ Hawk was going to be amazing. Still one of my favorite linebackers Ive ever scouted. Probably #2 behind Derrick Johnson at Texas.
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Posters want to defend Bush as being a Bust since he's had injury problems and hasn't been able to live up to the hype, yet label Courtney Brown and Tim Couch as complete Busts.

Bull****

Both Brown and Couch played very well when they were healthy, yet were never able to stay healthy and couldn't live up to what they were supposed to be or accomplish because of injuries.

I will give the benefit in saying for what their respective stats were for where they were picked and what they made, yeah, they could be could called Busts. Same goes for Bush: with where he was picked and what he makes, he's a Bust. But, for someone who plays in the NFL, he's been productive when healthy, so weren't Brown and Couch.

There should really be a definition for Busts, as the term is thrown around loosely. Maybe go with:

Bust - underperformer for draft ranking, slotted pick and salary
Injury Bust - career hampered by injury
Epic Bust - unable to accomplish anything and has no excuses
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I'll be the first to admit I thought AJ Hawk was going to be amazing. Still one of my favorite linebackers Ive ever scouted. Probably #2 behind Derrick Johnson at Texas.
Sad how neither of those two has quite lived up to expectations.
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I'll be the first to admit I thought AJ Hawk was going to be amazing. Still one of my favorite linebackers Ive ever scouted. Probably #2 behind Derrick Johnson at Texas.

I got AJ Hawk right! This thread has given me the idea to start saving a yearly list like Scott so I can see how I hold up over time.
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