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Ive posted this up on 2 other sites...figured id post it for the toughest crowd next, im working on round 3 but i find it to be a ***** to complete.

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Round 1

1. Carolina (2-14) – Cam Newton QB Auburn
• Cam Newton has unreal potential, his size, arm, speed, and just natural ability of making plays is unreal. Hes also very raw and this is so risky to take him #1…I like cam, I really do. I like him more than I liked Jamarcus (I hated jamarcus) and I like him more than I liked vince young and I like vince young as a top 10 pick…but newton could potentially bust hard in Carolina where theres gonna be pressure on the coaches to play him now. Peterson should be this pick, but CBs wont win games and they wont put people in seats.



2. Denver (4-12) –Marcel Dareus DT Alabama
• This pick is a lock imo, he fills a huge need, is a fine player, a safe pick, and is scheme versatile. Slam dunk pick, and I think it is a good one.



3. Buffalo (4-12) –Von Miller OLB Texas AM
• Best pass rusher in the draft from a LB standpoint, he can play LB in a 43 with sideline to sideline range and be in coverage and still be able to attack the QB, or can play a 34 OLB role and be a primary pass rusher. The bills wanted newton, but decide to pass on Gabbert. They have made it known they are OK with Fitzpatrick at QB for now, no point in reaching for a project qb with so many holes elsewhere too.



4. Cincinnati (4-12) – Julio Jones WR Alabama
• This is the best WR in the draft imo, but even if Green is better I think this is the best fit for them. The uncertainty of the QB leads me to think not only will there be a short passing game involved in the cincy offense but a ton of running. Jones has the ability to do work after the catch because hes no fun to tackle, he can stretch the field, and hes a crushing run blocker….it hurts me to see him go to the Bengals…my favorite WR prospect since calvin.



5. Arizona (5-11) – Patrick Peterson CB LSU
• Best player in the draft and they get him at 5…he and DRC are both VASTLY different but will allow the cards to do so much with their front 7, and if Obrien schofield returns to form this year it could add another pass rushing dynamic to the defense and make the 2 playmakers at CB even better.



6. Cleveland (5-11) – AJ Green WR Georgia
• They wouldn’t pass on green here. He would instantly be the best player at the position for them and give colt mccoy a chance to shine big with a big time target.



7. San Francisco (6-10) – Blaine Gabbert QB MIzzou
• Not quite sure where to place gabbert since I think hes certainly a top 10 pick, but I don’t have him ranked in my top 40 players. Harbaugh takes a big chance here with Gabbert but it gives himself a potential franchise QB to work with



8. Tennessee (6-10) – Nick Fairley DT AUburn
• This pick is a lock to me, they need interior line help, Fairley just put together a monster year but I cant see any team taking a chance on him before here…he will fit well in their defense.



9. Dallas (6-10) – Tyron Smith OT USC
• Played RT at USC but has serious LT potential, especially if hes able to keep his weight up around 315 and play his rookie year like that. Freakishly strong, insanely long arms, and real light on his feet. He can play RT with the cowboys and eventually go to the left. Risky pick and not quite the top tackle prospect weve seen the last 5 years but a potential stud and imo the best offensive prospect that USC has had since reggie bush



10. Washington (6-10) – Robert Quinn OLB UNC
• The skins don’t necessarily want to make this pick, they might have to though. They need WR and QB but its not every year you have the top pass rusher fall to you in double digits (for the skins its every other year since orakpo did 2 years ago). Quinn and Orakpo has legendary duo potential.



11. Houston (6-10) – Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska
• They jump on this guy immediately. After spending a first on kareem Jackson and throwing him into the fire, he disappointed. I still think he will be a good player, but amukamara makes him a better one and gives the Texans a nice duo of CBs for the next half dozen years.



12. Minnesota (6-10) –DaQuan Bowers DE Clemson
• After bowers freefall the Vikings take a chance on him. Not the elite pass rusher he was made out to be but a good power and and will compliment jared allen nicely. The Vikings are known for having a good dline and with the everson griffen experiement failing, this is their best pick.



13. Detroit (6-10) – Cameron Jordan DE Cal
• King Suh made everyone better last season…avril and KVB are bodies on the dline without suh getting all the attention, with him there they had career years. Jordan is not a great fit for the lions 43 but hes a talented player and could play power end for them, and on passing downs slide into DT (where SLH doesn’t offer much as a pass rusher) him and suh next to each other will just be too much.



14. St. Louis (7-9) – Corey Luigit DT Illinois
• I believe hes a legit top 20 talent and the ebst interior dline available (for a 43). The rams could go a number of directions here but with the top WRs off the board and the top pass rushers I think the interior dline is their best bet,



15. Miami (7-9) – Ryan Mallet QB Arkansas
• Toughest QB to place, I do think hes a good fit in Miami. They have a franchise LT in place so they don’t have worry about their rookie signal caller getting david carr’d which with mallets mobility they need, they have a good run blocking line (with RB a ???) and they have a stud WR who can be the possession guy as well as get down field. I don’t know how Michigan players felt about mallet, but maybe jake long has some good things to say about him?



16. Jacksonville (8-8) – Ryan Kerrigan DE Purdue
• I don’t think Kerrigan is a first round talent, hes a first round effort though…theres no quit in him, his game is going to HAVE to be refined at the pro level but he does offer some versatility when it comes to scheme and a player that never quits helps everyone else be better.



17. New England - from Oakland (8-8) –JJ Watt DE Wisconsin
• New England has a decent project for a 5 tech fall to them here, I think Watt will fit in good for their hybrid defense and he will probably get much much better as the years go on and hes needed for a more prominent role as a key part of their dline. Despite Tom Condon being his agent I think the pats pull the trigger on Watt.



18. San Diego (9-7) – Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin
• They need a RT and get a stud in carimi…hes such a good fit for their system and will give the chargers the RT they’ve been missing since olivea was suspended for roids and give ryan Matthews an excellent blocker on the right side to run behind.



19. New York Giants (10-6) – Mike Pouncey OG Florida
• They are having some trouble with their guard/center situation as far as injuries go and Pouncey gives them an athletic blocker on the interior to make up for that. This kind of athlete is rare for an interior lineman and will really help out against their divisions talent on the dline.



20. Tampa Bay (10-6)- Aldon Smith DE MIzzou
• Aldon smith gives the bucs the pass rusher they’ve been lacking…they addressed the interior last year and being that he makes a full recovery this year, smith and mccoy should be a key to their very young teams success in the near future.



21. Kansas City* (10-6) – Phil Taylor NT Baylor
• I think the chiefs pick up taylor here in order to further move forward in their transition to a 34. Hes a perfect NT and will make Dorsey play even better at DE, and hopefully bring Tyson Jackson to where he should be as a DE.



22. Indianapolis* (10-6) – Anthony Castonzo OT Boston College
• They are playing miserably at LT in indy and for a passing team it will almost certainly be addressed in the first round….both castonzo and solder are good fits for their quick passing offense but castonzo is much more of a sure thing.



23. Philadelphia* (10-6) – Jimmy Smith CB Colorado
• The eagles have gotten away with smaller secondary guys the last few years, and despite having one of the best CBs in the game they also have suffered from that small secondary just not being physical enough even when they try to be. Jimmy smith will bring a big, physical presence to the eagles defense. He has a lot of technique work to do but as a rotational guy as a rookie he should be able to get a good jam, make some plays, and come up in run support.



24. New Orleans* (11-5) – Stephen Paea NT Oregon State
• They did just sign rodgers as their NT, but rodgers, paea, and ellis is a nice rotation for as long as rodgers will last there (which i doubt is very long) I think paea will play very well as a NT in a 43, playing next to any kind of impact 3 tech he can definitely be effective. He and Sedrick Ellis should be a nice interior duo for a while and make ellis even more effective.



25. Seattle* (7-9) – Jake Locker QB Washington
• Im rolling the dice here but it seems so perfect, locker is my #1 QB this year and he would have been last year…the hawks wanted clause at 13 last year until earl Thomas fell to them…they see much of locker in Washington, hes got a big arm, hes got wheels on him, and hes a perfect fit for their wco. Maybe sit a year or two but he could be the future of their franchise. Sitting behind hasslebeck and Whitehurst for a year or two could be the difference between being alex smith and aaron Rodgers…jmo



26. Baltimore* (12-4) – Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State
• This is the pick because in my personal experience, if I love player in the draft process, that means they are certain to be a Raven…ngata, oher, rice….and now heyward as one of my favorite prospects of the year that gets to wear a ravens jersey. It is a big need for them anyway to get younger on defense and build around ngata….the line of ngata, cody, and heyward is one hell of a future dline



27. Atlanta* (13-3) – Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa
• Since the Jamaal Anderson expeience is officially a fail, they need some youth at DE and clayborn would be a nice fit along Abraham and jerry. He can move all over the line, and with his block shedding ability playing DT on passing downs is certainly a possibility.



28. New England* (14-2) – Nate Solder OT Colorado
• Probably the ideal spot for him, if they work him in like they did for Volmer, they will have their bookends for the next decade AND have the two most freakishly athletic white guys in the league.



29. Chicago* (11-5) – Marvin Austin DT UNC
• Typical pick here is oline, but Marvin Austin has helped himself as much as anyone this offseason with a nice series of dominant workouts, being in good shape, coming in at a good weight, and overall showing a great amount of commitment. Lovie tends to go defense in the draft and putting a distruptive player in there like Austin makes everyone along the line better….even peppers which is a scary thought. He’ll be a perfect replacement for Tommie harris.



30. New York Jets* (11-5) – Muhammad Wilkerson DT Temple
• Gholston doesn’t work as a DE or an OLB so Wilkerson fills a need there as a DE or DT in their scheme, especially with Jenkins not being able to stay healthy getting younger on the dline as a whole is important



31. Pittsburgh* (12-4) – Aaron Williams CB Texas
Aaron Williams seems to be a good fit as a CB in the steelers defense, if he doesn’t pan out as a CB and has to move to FS which may be his best fit he will still be an upgrade over ryan clark. Hopefully (like most rookie steeler DBs) hes worked in slow but still gets some nickel action as a rookie.



32. Green Bay* (10-6) – Derek Sherrod OT Southern Miss
• Just adding more talent on the oline…him and bulaga will be a good set of tackles for the packers once clifton moves on.



Round 2

1.New England - from Carolina (2-14) – Brooks Reed OLB Arizona
• The cap off their 3rd pick in 33 picks with the pass rusher they need…Watt on the dline, solder at tackle in the future, and reed as an OLB/DE if a nice group of young talent.



2. Buffalo (4-12) – Christian Ponder QB FSU
• Chan likes athletic QBs and just missing out on Newton in round one and getting a big time WR instead, now they have an athletic, smart, accurate passer to work in under Fitzpatrick.



3. Cincinnati (4-12) –Andy Dalton QB TCU
• The run on the second tier of QBs has begun and the Bengals with a slight panic move select Dalton.



4. Denver (4-12) – Rahim Moore
• Heir to Dawkins? Can also play CB and NB too. Ballhawking centerfielder



5. Cleveland (5-11) – Kendrick Ellis
• Shaun Rodgers replacement



6. Arizona (5-11) – Martez Wilson
• Like Karlos dansby hes built like an OLB but plays MLB…should add a good dimension to the cards D…not really any QBs worth this selection.



7. Tennessee (6-10) – Jonathan Baldwin
• Not the biggest need, but instead of reaching for kaepernick or stanza the titans get a big target at WR, if britt cant stay out of trouble they need another rWR to step in…and when those two are on the field together it could be a potential nightmare for defenses



8. Dallas (6-10) – Mark Ingram
• Jerry Jones loves the flashy pick, and while this might not be flashy it is giving him the closest thing weve seen to emmitt since emmitt. Barber has been average and is likely to move on, felix seems to have regressed to being a one trick pony, and while everyone likes choice the value of ingram here is too good to pass up.



9. Washington (6-10) – Ras-I Dowling
Rodgers and Buchannon are FAs and this gives them a physical CB opposite hall



10. Houston (6-10) – Justin Houston
• Potential pass rusher in their new 34 defense…it will be a hybrid defense and im not exactly sure what they plan on doing with Mario but this gives them someone else off the edge for the offense to worry about



11. Minnesota (6-10) – Marcus Gilbert
• Both mckinnie and loadholt were pretty terrible last year…gilbert at least gives them something at the position in the near future



12. Detroit (6-10) – Bruce Carter
• Was just medically cleared to work out for teams, might be IRd as a rookie or miss quite a bit of time but he is a sideline to sideline LB that will be unstoppable behind suh



13. San Francisco (6-10) – Curtis Brown
• CB is one of their biggest needs, and after passing on amukamara in round one they get a the best CB on texas’ roster imo.



14. Denver - from Miami (7-9) – Brandon Harris
• He fell because of his size but Brandon harris can ball out. Even a resigned Bailey is old and if I remember correctly Perrish Cox is in some kind of trouble…harris and moore give them some reassurance.



15. St. Louis (7-9) – Danny Watkins
• They have their tackles, now they get a guard who is a bit old for a rookie but will start from day one and be a mauler on the insider of what is a very promising young offensive line now.



16. Oakland (8-8) – Davon House
• Best corner left on the board and with nnamdi and huffs status up in the air the secondary is a concern.



17. Jacksonville (8-8) – Orlando Franklin
• Big former tackle moving to guard, he will be a great addition between Monroe and britton.



18. San Diego (9-7) – Sam Acho
• Gives them an outside LB to generate more of a pass rush which has been poor since the downfall of merriman since larry english has been pretty ineffective



19. Tampa Bay (10-6) – Quan Sturdviant
• Tough pick, but from what I hear most buc fans aren’t thrilled with the LBs and Quan is probably the best available, maybe greg jones.



20. New York Giants (10-6) – Allen Bailey
• Bailey doesn’t have a position but the giants love drafting dline and even though hes a workout warrior he was still productive at Miami….i think that he compares favorably to tuck in that he can move all over the line in any situation, he would be a power end or move to DT for them occasionally, and hed probably be more effective that canty has been so far in his stint with the giants.



21. Indianapolis* (10-6) – Rodney Hudson
• Small, athletic lineman…might project to center better than guard but a nice replacement for Saturday eventually. Hes like a walking blocking text book, just damn near flawless in executing his assignments.



22. Philadelphia* (10-6) – Jaiquwan Jarrett
• Local guy from temple, might be a slight reach but they probably wont get him in the third and I hear they are very high on him, it seems like they have a new starting FS every year.



23. Kansas City* (10-6) – Akeem Ayers
• Probably the best pass rusher left, they get a NT and an OLB in the first two rounds to really add to their new-ish 34…gives them a legit threat opposite Tamba



24. New Orleans* (11-5) – Jabaal Sheard
• Building up the defense, they got a NT in the first and now a pass rushing end in the second, LB might also be the pick here.



25. Seattle* (7-9) – Mikel Leshoure
• Their running game kind of blows with lynch and forsett…at least its inconstant. This gives them a big, hard runner to rely on.



26. Baltimore* (12-4) – Torrey Smith
• Seems to be slipping due to his 1 dimensional game, but he was probably a target in the first and they get him in the second.



27. Atlanta* (13-3 – Kyle Rudolph
• Rudolph free fell to this spot and the falcons get a hell of a receiving TE to take over for tony gonzalas.



28. New England* (14-2) – Stephen Wisniewski
• Seems like a typical patriots lineman, can play either center or guard in the near future



29. San Diego - from New York Jets* (11-5) – Jarvis Jenkins
• They have been really lacking on the dline lately, hopefully Jarvis and cam Thomas can give them a bright future there.



30. Chicago* (11-5) – Ben Ijalana
• Gives them a powerful G/T to plug in and pave the way for forte and maybe keep cutler upright…this is a steal here



31. Pittsburgh* (12-4) – Marcus Cannon OT/OG TCU
• I think if he wee to fall this far the steelers would have to take him as either a RG or RT, great value pick and will be able to slide in almost right away


32. Green Bay* (10-6) – Ryan Williams
• RB is clearly a need, grant is solid, but unspectacular and obviously the trio of starks, Jackson and Kuhn got it done since they won the superbowl but im sure they would like to be able to rely on the run game if they have too and ryan Williams is the BPA imo.


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I'm not a HUGE Ayers fan, but getting him in the second is a steal.. that said, I'd still prefer Wisniewski there for the Chiefs. C is probably our biggest need.. especially if Wiegmann calls it quits.
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Horrid Steelers Mock. A FS and a TE. Two positions they might draft for depth later but will not take with their first two picks.
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Horrid Steelers Mock. A FS and a TE. Two positions they might draft for depth later but will not take with their first two picks.
yeah i think aaron williams projects to a CB in the steelers defense, even if he has to move to FS clark sucks. its a win win.

im not crazy about kendricks there either, but i do really think they plan on taking him.
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Not crazy about Ras I's fit in our system or his value in early rd 2. I prefer Brandon Harris and Johnny Patrick at least and even Davon House in terms of CBs. I like Christian Ballards fit in our scheme as well as Watkins, Franklin, Wisniewski, and Hudson on the OL.
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I like Williams in the first for the Steelers. I think he'll be more than fine playing CB with that front seven, and what he'll be asked to do.

It amazes me how the Texas DB's get underrated every draft process, yet continue to succeed in the NFL.
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as Vidae said Ayers in the 2nd is a steal.but I'd prefer either Wis or Smith there
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i changed the steelers pick in the second to marcus cannon....cause i forgot him
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We will NOT draft Orlando Franklin or Ryan Kerrigan.

Both are not happening.
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Again nice solid needs for SF.I just don't like seeing Gabbert the pick for us!But if it is then so be it.You hit needs in both rounds ? is will they boom out.
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I don't like the Vikings leaving the first 2 rounds without a QB.

Bowers I could see if we got a QB in round 2, but it's not because of Everson Griffen not looking promising, he's not even penciled to start (Brian Robison is, and was re-signed this year to a pretty nice contract.)
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I don't like the Vikings leaving the first 2 rounds without a QB.

Bowers I could see if we got a QB in round 2, but it's not because of Everson Griffen not looking promising, he's not even penciled to start (Brian Robison is, and was re-signed this year to a pretty nice contract.)
ive just read that they could be targeting him if/when he falls.

griffen just got arrested didnt he? i know he was penciled to start but who knows how long he will be on the team, he was a workout warrior to begin with and im sure they wont have any problems cutting their losses with a fourth round pick if they have to


i did want to give the vikings mallet in the first, i think its an excellent fit, but in the second....meh.

i say they end up signing mcnabb and waiting til next year to get their guy
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Focus on defense is right on, but you focused on the wrong part of the defense. Our front 7 is in far deeper need than the secondary... we need 2 starters at DT and probably 2 more at LB just to field a team. I'd have given us Ballard somewhere in the 2nd, and possibly Bailey or a LB at the other spot. That would make a much bigger impact on our team.

You are correct about Cox, there's a possibility he's in jail this year. We drafted 2 CB's last draft though, and Thompson seems capable behind him too so I don't think a CB is as necessary as others seem to. If we can get some pressure up front we can get by with a much weaker secondary... but even Bailey plus 3 clones of Bailey can cover people for as long as they would have to with the front 7 we currently have.
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Focus on defense is right on, but you focused on the wrong part of the defense. Our front 7 is in far deeper need than the secondary... we need 2 starters at DT and probably 2 more at LB just to field a team. I'd have given us Ballard somewhere in the 2nd, and possibly Bailey or a LB at the other spot. That would make a much bigger impact on our team.

You are correct about Cox, there's a possibility he's in jail this year. We drafted 2 CB's last draft though, and Thompson seems capable behind him too so I don't think a CB is as necessary as others seem to. If we can get some pressure up front we can get by with a much weaker secondary... but even Bailey plus 3 clones of Bailey can cover people for as long as they would have to with the front 7 we currently have.
cool thanks, i had them taking marvin austin at the top of the second for a few days before i moved austin up to chicago in the first. Dareus and Austin could possibly be the two best DTs in the draft in a few years. i feel like ballard is one of the hardest players to place so ill keep that in mind
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This would be a solid Pats draft. I still think the agent issue would never actually completely stop NE from drafting a guy they like, and Watt looks to be a stud.

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I think it's highly unlikely that Seattle takes a RB that high. They've got Marshawn Lynch there and he's cemented in as the starter right now. The Hawks have bigger needs on the defensive line, offensive line and secondary to take a guy like LeShoure.
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i actually kinda forgot about lynch...are they planning on keeping him?
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I'm not a fan of Heyward to the Ravens, but I could easily see it happening. Maybe if we relied less on that position (5-tech./LDE opposite of Ngata) to rush the passer he would be perfect but we do need to have a pass-rusher at that spot. It's not out of the question for Pagano to change it up a bit but I doubt that we'll see much of a change scheme-wise, probably more blitzing/better blitzes but we even relied on that position to get to the QB when Ryan was the DC.

Smith is a good pick in the second, I'm worried about his hands (will he be anything more than Devery Henderson?) but the value is there.
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i dont think heyward is THAT worthless as a pass rusher, especially with ngata and cody/gregg not only taking up a massive amount of space but requiring a ton of attention. he might not generate huge sack numbers, but i believe the rush will be there making him more effective than he'll ever be given credit for
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Well, you do have Ballard falling out of the 2nd... if he were there in the 3rd and we still only had drafted 1 DT that would make an absolutely spectacular 3rd round pick. I don't see him falling out of the 2nd myself, but I would be happy with that. :)
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Agree. I'd take those four. He has Cobb and Hankerson available after 2 rounds. If we could get one of them at 74. That would be super.
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Green over Julio and it is a solid Bengals mock.
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I'm down with Gabbert good work.
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