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Old 12-19-2011, 10:51 AM    (permalink
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Greg Little week 15:

5 catches, 131 yards, 1 TD (long - 76TD).
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Greg Little week 15:

5 catches, 131 yards, 1 TD (long - 76TD).
I see your Greg Little week 15 and raise you...

Jones vs TB:
5 catches, 115 yards (long 49 yards)

Jones vs Seattle
11 catches, 127 yards (long 45 yards)

Jones vs Indy
3 catches, 131 yards, 2 TD's (long 80 yards TD)

Jones vs Carolina
3 catches, 104 yards, 2 TD's (long 75 yard TD)
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Greg Little - late 2nd round pick.
Julio Jones - top 6 pick.

I'll see your Julio Jones stats and raise you Phil Taylor, Owen Marecic, the 2012 1st, and the 2012 4th in addition to our best WR Greg Little :D

Honestly it is going to be a great trade for the Browns and the Falcons get a superstar WR. No one really loses.
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I think it's gonna be funny when Greg Little never amounts to anything in the league but he has stats now so that obviously means win. All Cleveland does is throw the ball to Greg Little at the LOS in their offense, who else are they throwing it to? It's easy to get catches, and he's done very little with those opportunities other then an 80 yard TD catch the other day.


I'm a Greg Little fan, but using stats on either side of the fence is a waste of time.
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This. The only acceptable time for Falcons fans to bump this is if we win a Super Bowl. Posting in this thread every time Julio has a great game is just ridiculous.

I don't think many people had a problem with what we gave up to get Julio this year. The key will be what we can do without a first round pick next year, and some glaring needs.
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This. The only acceptable time for Falcons fans to bump this is if we win a Super Bowl. Posting in this thread every time Julio has a great game is just ridiculous.

I don't think many people had a problem with what we gave up to get Julio this year. The key will be what we can do without a first round pick next year, and some glaring needs.
Glaring needs with the 3rd most cap room available for next offseason. Hrmm...what ever could we do with that money? This move just keeps getting better and better.

We have some home grown boys to lock up but we'll still be a player in the Free Agent market. There's going to be plenty of talent out there to help fill in some need areas.

One of the biggest needs for the Falcons coming into the last few weeks was the nickel corner. Before Hayden got hurt, he was playing well, and the last couple of weeks without Grimes and having Franks starting on the outside has just proven that he can get it done. His confidence is growing, and he was sticking with AJ80. He didn't make the play on a few occasions, but he certainly did stick right in his hip, and if he can do that with AJ80, he can do that with anyone. So there's one trouble spot solved from within.

LT is a problem, but Svitek has played very very well including shutting out Jared Allen, something not many people have done this season. And by shut out I mean nothing, stonewalled, no pressures no nothing.

Other than that, we're looking at needing a Right Guard, and hopefully a Center. So, you're worried around 1st round players, well there's not really any reason to think that we couldn't get a starting C or RG in the 2nd round, there's no reason to think that if we really wanted to we couldn't sign a LT in free Agency.

You're making it out as if this team isn't a quality team that still has a shot at getting the #2 seed in the NFC...just because they weren't 100% at the beginning of the season and struggled and lost 2 games they had no business losing. That had more to do with coaching and some questionable at best officiating than anything else. The Falcons are looking much like a Green Bay team last year who just seemed to find their stride and really kick it into gear at the end of the season. BTW folks, if Chicago didn't rest their starters and give Green Bay a Free pass to the playoffs, there's no telling how that story would have gone.

I love the Julio trade, does he have some horrible drops. Yes, he does, then at times he has some of the most insane catches you'll ever see. This is what he was at Alabama and that's what he's been in the NFL so far, but he's got a skillset that isn't rivaled by many, and while I freakin loved Greg Little going into the draft, and would have been pleased with him, Julio can do things that Little can't. Just look at the 29 yard TD that Julio had against J'ville, not a lot of guys that can torch 3 defenders with angles, and not many at all that can do it at 6'2"+ 220+

The Falcons gave up a 2nd and 1st and 2 4ths for a guy that has a skillset you rarely find in the draft anywhere, and seldom/if ever in the mid to late 1st, which is where it looks like ATL will be picking for foreseeable future.
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Julio is much better than I thought he'd be.
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Greg Little - late 2nd round pick.
Julio Jones - top 6 pick.

I'll see your Julio Jones stats and raise you Phil Taylor, Owen Marecic, the 2012 1st, and the 2012 4th in addition to our best WR Greg Little :D

Honestly it is going to be a great trade for the Browns and the Falcons get a superstar WR. No one really loses.
Haha touche..
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Yes, he's better than Reggie Williams.
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:P I said he has some of the same concerns that Williams had coming out, not that he'd be Reggie Williams.

ATL can attest that I said he'd probably be the next TO and make me look like an idiot.
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:P I said he has some of the same concerns that Williams had coming out, not that he'd be Reggie Williams.

ATL can attest that I said he'd probably be the next TO and make me look like an idiot.
Yes you did, and yes you are. :P
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Julio finished the year with 17.8 ypc, 8 TDs, 959 yards, over 1000 total yards, and a fumble, in 13 official game starts, and literally 12 games played. (not cutting him slack, he needs to stay healthy for 16 games) Out of those 13 official starts he went over 100 yards in 5 of those games, He also scored all 8 of his touchdowns in his final 7 games.

Replacing a guy for the the Falcons who had the previous year had 505 yards, and 2 touchdowns on 13 fewer receptions. (a guy who now has 1-100 yard game in his NFL career)

The Falcons offense struggled early on this season, trying to find a way to make Jones fit in, and forcing him the ball. As the season wore on they stopped forcing the ball to him and the offense started to click. Scoring 40+ points 2 of the last 3 games, although against 2 non playoff bound teams. The 3rd game they only scored 16 points and that was against the playoff bound New Orleans Saints, a game in which Julio did his part, with 8 Catches for 128 yards and a touchdown.

This trade has elevated the Falcons offense from one of the worst in the league with big plays both in the passing and rushing attacks, to one of the best. They aren't as consistent as they were, but that can be attributed to growing pains.

Their trade partner, the Cleveland Browns, are out of the playoffs yet again, and stand to gain a pick in the mid 20s this year, a year in which they'd still benefit from a player of Julio's caliber, despite Little having a great skillset and overall being a good fit there.

Cleveland isn't a 'loser' in this trade as they picked up some players they think they can build from, but the Falcons are looking more and more like winners from this trade.

Does it suck to not have a 1st round pick this year, yep, and it sucked a couple years ago not to have a 2nd round pick, but getting Tony G was worth it. Same can be said for the Julio trade. High price to pay, but being elite comes with a price, a risk, and a gamble. ATL rolled the dice, and so far, it's coming up 7s. If Julio continues to produce and the Falcons beat the Giants in wild card week, there is no question that this has elevated Atlanta to a plateau they haven't been on since 2005, with an opportunity against Green Bay or San Fransisco to go somewhere they haven't been since 1998.

So, as a draftnik you may not like the 'value' but in terms of production on the field, and impact, it's at the very least a stretch to say that the Falcons, in the short term, made a bad decision.
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The falcons seem to have figured out the best way to use Julio over the past few games. They need to get him in the middle of the field where he can get yards after catch.
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We knew we were going to be out of the playoffs. I seriously apologize if any Browns fans here thought we'd be playing in January. Julio's unreal, don't get me wrong. Tom Heckert saw the big picture with this trade, we've got more holes than a ******* slice of swiss cheese man. Julio would be great to have, what's he matter when we have Colt ******* McCoy who can't throw beyond 20 yards and an offensive line with shakey pass protection?

We've got opportunities to take advantage of this trade. We got what we wanted (a chance to increase talent throughout our roster and picks in the future) and you got what you wanted, an elite WR who will be excellent for years to come to put you over the edge in the playoffs.

I liked the way it went down, so whatever.
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We knew we were going to be out of the playoffs. I seriously apologize if any Browns fans here thought we'd be playing in January. Julio's unreal, don't get me wrong. Tom Heckert saw the big picture with this trade, we've got more holes than a ******* slice of swiss cheese man. Julio would be great to have, what's he matter when we have Colt ******* McCoy who can't throw beyond 20 yards and an offensive line with shakey pass protection?

We've got opportunities to take advantage of this trade. We got what we wanted (a chance to increase talent throughout our roster and picks in the future) and you got what you wanted, an elite WR who will be excellent for years to come to put you over the edge in the playoffs.

I liked the way it went down, so whatever.
Not slamming the Browns here. I agree you guys needed warm bodies to fill a poor roster. Your stud RB got into a contract dispute and your front office failed miserably with that situation. The trade remains to be seen, but if Julio turns out to be a pro bowler year after year like he has the talent to do, it's going to be hard to swallow.

If Peyton had been healthy it would have helped your entire offense, Hopefully we'll see that come to pass next year. I'm not anti-browns at all, I'm hoping they get it going in the right direction! But getting Colt another weapon or 3 wouldn't hurt his progression either. The vast majority of Aaron Rodgers' yardage and even big plays don't come on passes > 20 yards, it's about accurately delivering the pass on time so your playmakers can do just that.

Little is a big bodied athletic stud, and he'll be a good one for you guys once he gets some good coaching and refinement to his game. Just need to get Colt a safety net TE, and a stud YAC WR, and actually sign Hillis and you guys have the WCO team you need.

Just think San Fran. That defense has turned it on, and they're winning with ALEX friggin SMITH! But he has Crabtree and Davis, that's a far cry better than what Colt is working with. Don't lose hope Brown fan!
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If the Falcons don't beat the Giants this week then the Julio Jones trade is clearly the worst of all time.
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whatever, we expected Jones to be a pro bowl WR when we made the trade. We get two 1sts, a 2nd, and two fourths for one player. Chances are that's one or two pro bowlers at least in exchange for one. Phil Taylor and Greg Little already look like they're gonna be starting for a long time here. Same with Owen Marecic (though he's only a fullback). We would do that trade over and over and over again if given the chance.
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whatever, we expected Jones to be a pro bowl WR when we made the trade. We get two 1sts, a 2nd, and two fourths for one player. Chances are that's one or two pro bowlers at least in exchange for one. Phil Taylor and Greg Little already look like they're gonna be starting for a long time here. Same with Owen Marecic (though he's only a fullback). We would do that trade over and over and over again if given the chance.
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You got 1-first, 1-second, and 2-fourths, while swapping firsts.

I don't like Phil Taylor, but that's personal preference and I didn't watch much of the Browns this year to scout him, he may have improved greatly. I love Little, and I couldn't care less about the full back, he'd better be in the pro bowl every single year to be worth a 4th round pick at that position.

Again, I'm not knocking the Browns, I hope the trade works out for them, but the Falcons couldn't have gotten the same impact from the 2 players 'lost' from the trade, as they did from the 1 they gained.
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Phil Taylor is no joke that guy will take over games in years to come.


But yes Jones in a baller so all n all I think both sides are happy with the trade witch is what you are look for when trading.
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I still stand by "the Falcons gave up more than you should ever give up for any WR, ever."
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I still stand by "the Falcons gave up more than you should ever give up for any WR, ever."
Fair enough, but what if that WR becomes a Hall of Famer. Now I'm not claiming that's what Jones will be, not by any stretch. He's got about 15 years of health and production to chalk up before that conversation starts.

But giving up 4 picks for 1 hall of famer. I don't see how that'd be too much.

Even in that scenario would it be too much for you?
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After one year, Julio Jones doesn't have a significantly better chance of ending up in the hall of fame than any other player the Falcons could have picked with those. You don't make draft decisions based on 15 years of knowledge out into the future, else there would be a lot of scurrying to trade up for certain quarterbacks. You make draft decisions based on 3-4 years of college production (plus measurables). There has never been a WR in the draft that I would give up a future first round pick in order to acquire.

Certainly there are WRs worthy of such high picks, but look at the top 10 WRs in receiving yards this season. You have two top 5 picks (Johnson and Fitzgerald), two later first round picks (White, Nicks), but you also have 2 undrafted guys (Cruz and Welker), a fourth round pick (Marshall), two third round picks (Smith, Wallace), and Second Round Pick (Nelson).

The same way I wouldn't give up a future first for a running back, because the position is fungible, I wouldn't give up a future first for a wide receiver since top WRs can be found all over the draft.
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After one year, Julio Jones doesn't have a significantly better chance of ending up in the hall of fame than any other player the Falcons could have picked with those. You don't make draft decisions based on 15 years of knowledge out into the future, else there would be a lot of scurrying to trade up for certain quarterbacks. You make draft decisions based on 3-4 years of college production (plus measurables). There has never been a WR in the draft that I would give up a future first round pick in order to acquire.

Certainly there are WRs worthy of such high picks, but look at the top 10 WRs in receiving yards this season. You have two top 5 picks (Johnson and Fitzgerald), two later first round picks (White, Nicks), but you also have 2 undrafted guys (Cruz and Welker), a fourth round pick (Marshall), two third round picks (Smith, Wallace), and Second Round Pick (Nelson).

The same way I wouldn't give up a future first for a running back, because the position is fungible, I wouldn't give up a future first for a wide receiver since top WRs can be found all over the draft.
To be fair, you would have to include Andre Johnson as well. Normally, I would completely agree about WR's but Atlanta has its QB in place and felt that Jones was the last key element, so I think the trade was sound. He definitely has Johnson, Johnson type talent.
As you point out, solid players can also be found later in the draft, so late 1st rounders aren't all that great anyways.
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You got 1-first, 1-second, and 2-fourths, while swapping firsts.

I don't like Phil Taylor, but that's personal preference and I didn't watch much of the Browns this year to scout him, he may have improved greatly. I love Little, and I couldn't care less about the full back, he'd better be in the pro bowl every single year to be worth a 4th round pick at that position.

Again, I'm not knocking the Browns, I hope the trade works out for them, but the Falcons couldn't have gotten the same impact from the 2 players 'lost' from the trade, as they did from the 1 they gained.
no need for a correction. I said we got 2 firsts, 1 second, and 2 fourths for ONE player, which we did. 5 picks for one pick. Just a different way of saying it.

I've said earlier in this thread that the trade is a win for both teams as long as Jones is a big time playmaker. Falcons needed one of those more than they needed the picks really b/c they are ready to compete for a super bowl and are maybe a couple players away from that.

Phil Taylor is going to be a beast, Greg Little looks like he'll be a pretty good #2 WR at least (which is decent for a late 2nd rounder eh?). Add in the other first we're getting this year and it's gonna work out very well for the Browns. That is 4 starters (maybe 5 if the other 4th round pick this year ends up starting) for one player so far. Those two first round picks are expected to equate to pro bowl players, and the second is expected to be a quality starter. Trading at least 2 potential pro bowlers and 4 - 5 potential starters is what the Falcons gave up for Jones. They knew it when they made the trade, that is why the trade is a little controversial for Atlanta. Very steep price for one non-QB.
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