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Old 05-08-2012, 10:52 AM    (permalink
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It is to be expected, the writers just to be on top of their game to make sure they don't drastically change something that will handcuff them in later seasons.

If they see a minor character becoming too popular, it is ok to write other minor characters parts into theirs, but not if you risk having to change the story in season 4 because now one minor character had 10 minor charcaters parts and can't die.
This episode just kinda weighs on me. So far it seems to be the episode that deviates the most from the book. I think this is the fault of writer, Vanessa Taylor, whom was the one who also made up some scenes in episode 4 of season 2. She has also been the one who has written the lackadaisical scenes between Robb and "Talisa". Which comes off as a sappy puppy dog love scene from a modern teen flick on the CW.

Now don't get me wrong, the whole episode wasnt bad. The first 10 minutes were really good and the Jon/Ygritte scenes were good also, well except the part where Jon gets kicked by her and a chase ensues rather than Jon just letting her go. That might be because a story told by Ygritte is less thrilling than a snow chase...and why can't Quaran track Jon down. That is what he does right?

Glad this is the last episode of the season by taylor.
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I'm kind of glad I didn't read the books now since this is my favorite show.
I'd hate to be mad at it for being dissimilar to the book.

Oh, and I love Osha. One of my favorite characters.
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When Osha got naked I was like "Wow, I did not see that coming!" Not because of the scene but because of the actress. I'll never be able to look at Nymphadora Tonks the same.
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I want to know why Osha didn't just kill the **** out of Theon and have Bran and Riccan stay there safely with him dead. They could have just taken Winterfell back instead of running away. He was asleep! Right there! And she clearly has no qualms about killing.
...because Theon isn't the only Iron Islander in Winterfell?
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...because Theon isn't the only Iron Islander in Winterfell?
No, but realistically how many men could have came on that boat? Hell, kill Theon on your way out and come back with some men. It's one less person, and he just finished chopping the head off your Master at Arms. Why let him live?
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No, but realistically how many men could have came on that boat? Hell, kill Theon on your way out and come back with some men. It's one less person, and he just finished chopping the head off your Master at Arms. Why let him live?
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No, but realistically how many men could have came on that boat? Hell, kill Theon on your way out and come back with some men. It's one less person, and he just finished chopping the head off your Master at Arms. Why let him live?
It's been a year since the read the second book, so it could just be my memory, but I don't remember Osha lying with Theon, so killing him would just **** things up continuity wise. This is likely the main reason.

As for how many men, clearly enough to take Winterfell. Also, Osha is a wildling, she has no sentimental attachment to the Master of Arms.
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It's been a year since the read the second book, so it could just be my memory, but I don't remember Osha lying with Theon, so killing him would just **** things up continuity wise. This is likely the main reason.

As for how many men, clearly enough to take Winterfell. Also, Osha is a wildling, she has no sentimental attachment to the Master of Arms.
Osha is also older and kinda busted in the books as well.
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I just realized something. The fifth book came out only last year, five years after the first. There are still two more books that need to be written. If HBO puts out a new season every year, even if the third book is split into two seasons as rumored, the fifth season/book would be completed maybe late enough for the sixth book to be released, but almost certainly not the seventh. Perhaps I'm thinking a little far down the line, but it seems the final season/book may be a bit of a predicament for HBO.
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I just realized something. The fifth book came out only last year, five years after the first. .
The first book came out in 96
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I just realized something. The fifth book came out only last year, five years after the first. There are still two more books that need to be written. If HBO puts out a new season every year, even if the third book is split into two seasons as rumored, the fifth season/book would be completed maybe late enough for the sixth book to be released, but almost certainly not the seventh. Perhaps I'm thinking a little far down the line, but it seems the final season/book may be a bit of a predicament for HBO.
Martin is such a fat slob he will probably die before he can finish the books. So I see this show as the method for finishing the series when he croaks.

The timeline you mentioned is also the reason I am in no hurry to finish reading the books currently in print.
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Martin is such a fat slob he will probably die before he can finish the books. So I see this show as the method for finishing the series when he croaks.

The timeline you mentioned is also the reason I am in no hurry to finish reading the books currently in print.
Yeah, it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that Martin will not live much longer. The TV writers already have his notes to continue the series once he dies.
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Yes please. If he gets anywhere near this show he'll **** it up with wookies and ****. I'm waiting for the seventh episode but the second season isn't as good as the first one IMHO.
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He had all the notes written out for sure, but I think most of Towers was Sanderson.
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No, 3. This show is so damn good

and damn Jon Snow is gonna get some action with Ygritte. She's dirty as f*ck
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Why does this show get to me? It gets me so emotionally involved. I feel legitimate hatred deep inside for some characters. I hope King Joeffry and Theon die, extremely soon.
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