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Old 04-02-2012, 10:17 AM    (permalink
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I hear what you are saying... but Tolkein is the greatest fantasy writer, period.

I really do need to read GoT though, wish I had more free time!
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Its called A song of Ice and Fire
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I have to say that the fantasy genre has a tough time keeping me entertained. But perhaps this is different.. I'll start by watching the first episode and take it from there.. Thanks guys.
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I hear what you are saying... but Tolkein is the greatest fantasy writer, period.

I really do need to read GoT though, wish I had more free time!
All i say is: No.
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I'd call it better. I've read Sanderson and Jordan. Jordan might be the most infuriating writer of all time. He takes five pages to explain something that can be done in one. It's a great way to paint a picture in your mind, but 10+ books of that is just flat out ANNOYING.

Sanderson is the new kid on the block and he is very talented. Mistborn is a great series and easy to pick up and read, and I've heard nothing but good things about his new series Stormlight Archive.

I'm also not a fan of a series where NO ONE DIES. It isn't realistic.

All of that said, neither of them touch George R R Martin. At least for me.

I'm just glad you didn't include Terry Goodkind. We would have had to resort to fisticuffs.
I agree that Jordan got pretty bad in his later books. I am kind of glad he died before he finished the books because books 6 and 11 are hard to read, and 7-10 were unbearable. I don't know how I got through 7-10. I remember one chapter in book 10 where the character didn't even leave her tent. She just sat there thinking about stuff the entire time. That was the whole chapter: a woman sitting in a tent thinking about dumb ****. I think that entire book, which was probably more than 700 pages, only covered a 2 week span of time. Ridiculous.

Sanderson I think is new enough that you can't classify him. He killed off a pretty important character in Mistborn, and I don't use "will the author kill important people" as a main factor when rating a book. I read the first book of the Stormlight Archive and it was incredible. The big problem is that I will probably be in my 50s by the time he's done with it.

I read the Sword of Truth series. It was ok. His battle descriptions were entertaining. But a lot of it was really stupid, and he pretty obviously stole a lot of his ideas from the Wheel of Time. And once he started putting Ayn Rand ******** into the plot it got really bad.

Damn I sound like a complete dork. I haven't even read a book in probably a year.

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As far as "fantasy" there isn't much fantasy at all, especially in the first season. It is basically a medieval story set in a fictional world. Not much magic, if any. I can't remember right now but it's not a bunch of wizards and witches flying around on brooms and magic carpets.
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It's about the same as a GOAT QB discussion. There are a few that can be supported in the discussion.

Personally, my childhood spent reading Tolkein and C.S. Lewis will keep them near the top of the list. But Martin is a clear favorite if you're gripe w/fantasy is the lack of realism; specifically death, sex, and much wider gray areas of morality.
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It's about the same as a GOAT QB discussion. There are a few that can be supported in the discussion.

Personally, my childhood spent reading Tolkein and C.S. Lewis will keep them near the top of the list. But Martin is a clear favorite if you're gripe w/fantasy is the lack of realism; specifically death, sex, and much wider gray areas of morality.
I'm not sure Martin's world has that much gray area. It's not even right vs. wrong so much as multiple groups wanting power for themselves. If you take a step back, once that one important character dies in the first book (or first season if you're only watching the show), there aren't any particularly "good" characters. Just people driven by desire for power or revenge or both. Which I suppose does make it a lot more realistic.
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Book 4 is useless, it probably could have been combined with book 5. Still have to finish 4.
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I agree that Jordan got pretty bad in his later books. I am kind of glad he died before he finished the books because books 6 and 11 are hard to read, and 7-10 were unbearable. I don't know how I got through 7-10. I remember one chapter in book 10 where the character didn't even leave her tent. She just sat there thinking about stuff the entire time. That was the whole chapter: a woman sitting in a tent thinking about dumb ****. I think that entire book, which was probably more than 700 pages, only covered a 2 week span of time. Ridiculous.

Sanderson I think is new enough that you can't classify him. He killed off a pretty important character in Mistborn, and I don't use "will the author kill important people" as a main factor when rating a book. I read the first book of the Stormlight Archive and it was incredible. The big problem is that I will probably be in my 50s by the time he's done with it.

I read the Sword of Truth series. It was ok. His battle descriptions were entertaining. But a lot of it was really stupid, and he pretty obviously stole a lot of his ideas from the Wheel of Time. And once he started putting Ayn Rand ******** into the plot it got really bad.

Damn I sound like a complete dork. I haven't even read a book in probably a year.
My biggest problem with Goodkind is his rampant use of deus ex machina. Oh no, we can't win.. but wait, now we can, because I remembered or thought of something that would work INSTANTLY!

I'd rather read books 5-10 of Wheel of Time for the rest of my life than read a single book of Sword of Truth again.

And I agree about the Stormlight Archive series. It's going to suck because he said it'll be something like a 10 book series. Don't get me wrong, I'll probably get through it all, but I will be pretty damn old by the time he's finished.

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It's about the same as a GOAT QB discussion. There are a few that can be supported in the discussion.

Personally, my childhood spent reading Tolkein and C.S. Lewis will keep them near the top of the list. But Martin is a clear favorite if you're gripe w/fantasy is the lack of realism; specifically death, sex, and much wider gray areas of morality.
Tolkein will always have a special place in my heart, but it's hard for me to go back and read his stuff now. After reading Martin, and more specifically Glen Cook, it's hard for me to read the older fantasy stuff.

Speaking of Glen Cook, if you haven't read his Black Company series, you should DEFINITELY check it out. It's a really great series and it's unlike most of the fantasy stuff out there. The first three books are his best, but the first six are worth reading. They're basically two different trilogies.
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Don't read the spoiler if you haven't read all of the books unless you're interested in speculation-ish stuff about the future of the series.

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While I really love this show...This thread is upsetting in the lack of Chronicles of Amber mentions for greatest fantasy series of all time. Roger Zelasny is amazing.

EDIT: Speaking Zelasny and Martin, anyone read any of the Wild Cards books?
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I hear what you are saying... but Tolkein is the greatest fantasy writer, period.

I really do need to read GoT though, wish I had more free time!
Tolkien takes forever to get to the point. I don't think he's particularly good/great, just very wordy (dude, I know what a ******* tree looks like, you don't need to describe every single one the characters walk by) and the world he created is pretty cool. All he really has going for him, in my mind, is a cool world.

You could chop down each of the Tolkien books by at least 25% by getting rid of all of the filler and fluff words and the books wouldn't lose anything. ****, they might be even better if you did that.
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Just saw the premier. Awesome. Excited for Sunday night!
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I get so angry every time an episode ends, I just want it to go on forever.

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Anyone catch the pre-air episode 2 yet? I don't know whether to wait or not...
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pre-air? I don't even watch the previews of the next episode when the show ends. lol
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Alright, I just watched the first two episode and this looks really good. It's still difficult to keep track of who everyone is and their relations but I can't wait for when I have the time to watch the next episode.
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Alright, I just watched the first two episode and this looks really good. It's still difficult to keep track of who everyone is and their relations but I can't wait for when I have the time to watch the next episode.
I sometimes go to a got wiki after an episode to get clarification.
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read the books to know everything.

But wiki is good, they have tree diagrams.
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The 2nd episode got leaked by the way. I won't post about it for a bit since I'm guessing no one else has seen it yet.
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Old 04-03-2012, 03:00 PM    (permalink
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and if they wanted to watch it, there is a device called google. it has a search engine that people can type "game of thrones s02e02" in to it.


or I guess HBO.
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Are you guys talking about the 1st season or did the 2nd start up?
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2nd season started this past Sunday at 9pm and the 2nd episode was/is? available on HBO Go already.
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How graphic was the baby killing in the first episode? I know it happens, I've read the books, and violence doesn't usually bother me, but violence towards little kids and babies bothers me a lot more now that I'm a dad.
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