Jim Tressel resigns - Page 2

keylime_5 · 05-30-2011, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by King Carls 5 Year Plan

Tressel was a good coach. he'll be out of football only as long as he wants to be. if he uses this as a learning experience, he'll be even better for it. its unfortunate that boosters and other problems within the program cost him his job. it was bound to happen, eventually. you can't know about these issues and just ignore them and expect to keep moving along. the NCAA is view it as lying to them because he signed the paper before last season stating that he knew of no ineligible players when in fact he knew that Pryor and Co were in fact ineligible.

like i said, he's a good coach and he'll land on his feet.

who are the main targets for OSU, in this early stage? (knowing they aren't hiring until after the season)

Luke Fickell (the interim head coach)
Bo Pelini
Urban Meyer
Mark Dantonio
Jon Gruden

will be the ones people draw lines to b/c of OSU connections and whatnot. I don't think D'antonio will be hired though, but he'll generate talk since he is a successful head coach at a big program and is a Buckeye. Tony Dungy even has generated some talk. I just hope it's not Gene Smith making the hire, things haven't gotten better since he's been here.

Matthew Jones · 05-30-2011, 03:25 PM

Great article dealing all of the occurrences:

http://genuinelysarcastic.blogspot.c...tting-lie.html

phlysac · 05-30-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by King Carls 5 Year Plan

Tressel was a good coach. he'll be out of football only as long as he wants to be. if he uses this as a learning experience, he'll be even better for it. its unfortunate that boosters and other problems within the program cost him his job.

Learn from it? Alot of the same type of stuff was reportedly occuring at Youngstown State when Tressel coached there.

descendency · 05-30-2011, 03:54 PM

Tressel's next job will be as an AD somewhere (most thought he was going to be the AD at tOSU after the current one retired). He won't be coaching again.

I respect Tressel quite a bit even though I hate Ohio State. I really feel this is the NCAA going after big programs to try and scare everyone else away from it, but everyone knows the NCAA can't keep up with them and they won't fine them more than they can make from cheating. (In other words, if I cheat I can win more games and therefore collect more donations and win more awards, whereas they might be meaningless after the fact, but everyone already will have their rings, memories, and money from it. The NCAA just scratches their name out on a piece of paper)

phlysac · 05-30-2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RavenOfProphecy

Great article dealing all of the occurrences:

http://genuinelysarcastic.blogspot.c...tting-lie.html

If all of that is legitimate.... WOW!

keylime_5 · 05-30-2011, 04:36 PM

legitimate? only about 5% of that stuff on that timeline has to do with Tressel, the rest is players getting arrested every once in a while which happens everywhere. the only stuff that has to do with Tressel is the YSU stuff (which wasn't really a big deal for the school, it might get blown out of proportion though now that the scandal at OSU has taken place) - and then the tattoo scandal.

BTW this big SI article that comes out tonight/tomorrow that supposedly says all this bombshell info that would get Tressel fired basically states that 9 players sold memorabilia for tattoos and 4 sold it for drugs (weed?). who was expecting worse?

phlysac · 05-30-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by keylime_5

legitimate? only about 5% of that stuff on that timeline has to do with Tressel, the rest is players getting arrested every once in a while which happens everywhere. the only stuff that has to do with Tressel is the YSU stuff (which wasn't really a big deal for the school, it might get blown out of proportion though now that the scandal at OSU has taken place) - and then the tattoo scandal.

BTW this big SI article that comes out tonight/tomorrow that supposedly says all this bombshell info that would get Tressel fired basically states that 9 players sold memorabilia for tattoos and 4 sold it for drugs (weed?). who was expecting worse?

So player after player after player after player being arrested for and/ or accused of either illegal acts or receiving illegal benefits shouldn't reflect on their coach? That rumors of benefits and booster "mentors" running awash all on Tressel watch with his knowledge and you don't see ANY connection?

I might make a trip down to Jeannette tonight aand see if I can get some mentoring from Ted Sarniak.

I'm not hating on Tressel. I think stuff like this goes on at schools all over the country. However, to just dismiss all of this stuff as meaningless seems too homeristic.

bullg8rdaddy · 05-30-2011, 06:04 PM

point shaving.......

Silver & Blue · 05-30-2011, 06:23 PM

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point shaving.......

I heard some rumors about that before, so if thats true, goodbye OSU.

keylime_5 · 05-30-2011, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by phlysac

So player after player after player after player being arrested for and/ or accused of either illegal acts or receiving illegal benefits shouldn't reflect on their coach? That rumors of benefits and booster "mentors" running awash all on Tressel watch with his knowledge and you don't see ANY connection?

I might make a trip down to Jeannette tonight aand see if I can get some mentoring from Ted Sarniak.

I'm not hating on Tressel. I think stuff like this goes on at schools all over the country. However, to just dismiss all of this stuff as meaningless seems too homeristic.

player after player? there wasn't a terribly overabundant amount of arrests at OSU. Like any big program some players get in trouble every year or two. The troublesome players paled in comparison to the fact that the GPA and APR at the OSU football program was amongst the best in the country under Tressel. His resignation had nothing to do with some of his players getting in trouble in the past.

Silver & Blue · 05-30-2011, 07:15 PM

LMAO, Never underestimate the stupidity of Terrelle Pryor.

"@ LanternSports: Pryor arrived in WHAC in Nissan 350z with temp tags from May 24. He waved to the cameras."

http://twitter.com/#!/LanternSports

keylime_5 · 05-30-2011, 07:22 PM

lol, nothing surprises me about pryor anymore.

CrankthatCrabtree · 05-30-2011, 07:26 PM

I don't get how tOSU fans give credit to Tressel for "shaping young men" and all that ********, but not put any of the blame on him for all the cheating these "great young men" do. Such a ridiculous double standard.

SickwithIt1010 · 05-30-2011, 07:27 PM

If Urban Meyer goes to OSU I wouldnt be able to respect him...resigning 2 years in a row for personal reasons and then coming back.

Im curious to see if they go hard after someone right now or if they wait till the season is over.

phlysac · 05-30-2011, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by keylime_5

player after player? there wasn't a terribly overabundant amount of arrests at OSU. Like any big program some players get in trouble every year or two. The troublesome players paled in comparison to the fact that the GPA and APR at the OSU football program was amongst the best in the country under Tressel. His resignation had nothing to do with some of his players getting in trouble in the past.

But it's not just the arrests. Its the arrests, plus the benefits, plus the 400-ish self-reported recruiting violations, plus the lying to the NCAA, plus the cover-up of ineligibility, etc, etc.

The players getting in trouble in the past is absolutely a reflection on the coach and the program. Were they the fault of Tressel, or his direct responsibility? Absolutely not, but it outlines a culture within the program.

I'm a Pitt-guy, I saw Wannstedt (a coach who was considered of highest moral character and a good example for his athletes) fired in part because of an influx off off-the-field issues with his players. Was it Stache's fault? No, but you have to start at the top.

keylime_5 · 05-30-2011, 07:56 PM

mmm....the other stuff is trifles. the dishonesty to cover up players breaking eligiblity rules was what was the big deal. like one guy said today, Tressel tried too hard to treat his players like his kids and in the end it cost him his job.

J-Mike88 · 05-30-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by keylime_5

this is ********, way to go Gene Smith and Gordon Gee by

Gordon Gee is a co******r... I hate that guy.
That bast*** BCS-pimp.

As for Tressel covering up over and over for his punk players: that's a sign of the times.
It's happening more and more, all over.

bullg8rdaddy · 05-30-2011, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SickwithIt1010

If Urban Meyer goes to OSU I wouldnt be able to respect him...resigning 2 years in a row for personal reasons and then coming back.

Im curious to see if they go hard after someone right now or if they wait till the season is over.

Bro, I pretty sure they said that they are sticking with Fickell this year and won't begin coaching search till after this season. But I would bet that they are already or have already contacted their top targets, Meyer has to be one of them.

I lost respect for Meyer when he quit the first time. Grateful for the titles, but he butt f***ed our recruiting class with his hores**t and loyalty to Adazzio.

CrankthatCrabtree · 05-30-2011, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by keylime_5

mmm....the other stuff is trifles. the dishonesty to cover up players breaking eligiblity rules was what was the big deal. like one guy said today, Tressel tried too hard to treat his players like his kids and in the end it cost him his job.

Seems more like that Tressel was doing whatever it took to win and this case it meant cheating. Stop sugarcoating it. It is ridiculous

keylime_5 · 05-30-2011, 08:10 PM

Luke Fickell is coach for this season. If he does well he'll probably keep the job (already being compared to Pat Fitzgerald, a young former player who also had to take over as HC on spot duty after Northwestern's coach got sick and died). Otherwise they'll do an extensive coaching search starting in December and they'll probably contact Meyer for sure if that's the case.

keylime_5 · 05-30-2011, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CrankthatCrabtree

Seems more like that Tressel was doing whatever it took to win and this case it meant cheating. Stop sugarcoating it. It is ridiculous

well if you knew how the guy interacted with his players and their families you probably would give him the benefit of the doubt too. either way he was in the wrong.

SickwithIt1010 · 05-30-2011, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bullg8rdaddy

Bro, I pretty sure they said that they are sticking with Fickell this year and won't begin coaching search till after this season. But I would bet that they are already or have already contacted their top targets, Meyer has to be one of them.

I lost respect for Meyer when he quit the first time. Grateful for the titles, but he butt f***ed our recruiting class with his hores**t and loyalty to Adazzio.

Yeah i didnt hear any of that. I just heard he resigned.

phlysac · 05-30-2011, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by keylime_5

mmm....the other stuff is trifles. the dishonesty to cover up players breaking eligiblity rules was what was the big deal. like one guy said today, Tressel tried too hard to treat his players like his kids and in the end it cost him his job.

I truly respect your support of Tressel but even the best parent in the World will lose that distinction if it is found that they hid their children's transgressions from the authorities as a mean to protect them.

phlysac · 05-30-2011, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by keylime_5

well if you knew how the guy interacted with his players and their families you probably would give him the benefit of the doubt too. either way he was in the wrong.

I get that. This is one of the reasons why I won't bash Tressel. However, it's also telling how he interacts his his players "mentors" as well.

CrankthatCrabtree · 05-30-2011, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by keylime_5

well if you knew how the guy interacted with his players and their families you probably would give him the benefit of the doubt too. either way he was in the wrong.

A little naive to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point. If you knew how he interacted with the kids you would think there would be no chance in ******* hell that he was one of the biggest scumbag coaches in CFB(at least who have been caught)