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George Dohrmann said on the Dan Patrick show that there might be more things to come out of Ohio State but has to talk to Lawyers. Dan Patrick later on said that one of his sources said he will surprised if Pryor survives the season.
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Pryor must be the most hated person in Ohio.
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This is the car Pryor just showed up to a meeting in. He is as dumb as a rock.

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BTW, that SI article was hardly revelatory or crushing. Lots of old stuff being re-spun.

I do love the media hate parade. A team with a giant fan base and a giant hate base is great for ratings/sales, so I understand jumping on. However, I'd love to punch a few of these smug cockwads in the mouth. The ones that seem genuinely happy. They are scum of the earth.
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Great article dealing all of the occurrences:

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How is this different than any other program? The way I see it, tOSU were just sloppy, and they did not watch The Godfather to understand the concept of "Buffers".
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Ready to see if the NCAA pummels OSU as hard (should be harder) as what they did to USC. Good riddance to Tressel he's reaping the benefits of the program atmosphere he created.
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Ready to see if the NCAA pummels OSU as hard (should be harder) as what they did to USC. Good riddance to Tressel he's reaping the benefits of the program atmosphere he created.
Seriously doubt if it's harder.

1) All of that stuff doesn't even add up to a smidgen of what just one USC player received.
2) OSU self reported, USC did not. This is the biggest part to it. If they hit OSU as hard as USC, every school in their right mind is going to cover up and deny every single thing possible. There would be no incentive to self report.

I'm guessing 2010 vacated, 2011 post season ban and 15 schollies over 3 years pulled.
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How is this different than any other program? The way I see it, tOSU were just sloppy, and they did not watch The Godfather to understand the concept of "Buffers".
Totally agree, amateur hour wrt the cheating.

I heard it was actually just Tressel's dad that ignored the wrongdoings. JT had no idea.
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I always thought that Tressel was one of those "Untouchables" where the Press would never say anything bad about the guy. Look at what they have been saying about him through the years, "He is a Christian, he turns boys into Men" etc, etc, etc.

I wonder what changed where now the Press is going after him? Is it because the evidence is so damming that they have no choice? If this is the case, I feel bad for Tressl, his wall of protection has now turned into a Tsunami wave and is crashing on him (Actually, I don't really feel bad at all hahahaha).

Lets be honest, Tressel is no more a bad guy than anyone else. The Press, the NCAA, the BCS Bowl Committees, the coaches, the Athletic Directors, the University Presidents are all basically the same people, or in bed with each other.

If you have a System where a lot of "old white guys" are getting rich off of "young black kids", you better believe these old white guys will do everything in their power to keep the cash flow coming in, even if it means sacrificing one of their own.

I find it funny that Tressel gets $3.5 Million a year and is considered an honest man, while Cam's father is considered a shady character even though he only received $100,000. We go to the games to see Cam, not Tressel, so why is it that we put Tressel on a pedestal while condemning Cam's dad?
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I always thought that Tressel was one of those "Untouchables" where the Press would never say anything bad about the guy. Look at what they have been saying about him through the years, "He is a Christian, he turns boys into Men" etc, etc, etc.

I wonder what changed where now the Press is going after him? Is it because the evidence is so damming that they have no choice? If this is the case, I feel bad for Tressl, his wall of protection has now turned into a Tsunami wave and is crashing on him (Actually, I don't really feel bad at all hahahaha).

Lets be honest, Tressel is no more a bad guy than anyone else. The Press, the NCAA, the BCS Bowl Committees, the coaches, the Athletic Directors, the University Presidents are all basically the same people, or in bed with each other.

If you have a System where a lot of "old white guys" are getting rich off of "young black kids", you better believe these old white guys will do everything in their power to keep the cash flow coming in, even if it means sacrificing one of their own.

I find it funny that Tressel gets $3.5 Million a year and is considered an honest man, while Cam's father is considered a shady character even though he only received $100,000. We go to the games to see Cam, not Tressel, so why is it that we put Tressel on a pedestal while condemning Cam's dad?
The press pretty much have been hounding OSU the whole time JT was there. The MoC stuff was insane (and there was nothing).

Again, supposedly SI called up about every player they could in JT's past and all that they could dig up was this raffle thing. Hilarity.

WRT the inequity in the sport, I totally agree. The coaches and schools reap the benefits (sometimes very huge benefits) of kids playing a game. The kids get a pittance and that is that.

That's why I think we'll see the amateurism rules change sometime in the next decade. CFB is a billions of dollars a year business and the kids get a tiny fraction of that.

WRT Cam Newton's dad, he is a douchebag. Pimping out your son for hundreds of thousands of dollars in undeclared income is not only douchey, it's a federal crime. I still have no idea how the NCAA has not investigated Auburn any further. Insane.

The only thing that I can see is that someone had some dirt on the former LSU guy who is now head of the NCAA.
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The press pretty much have been hounding OSU the whole time JT was there. The MoC stuff was insane (and there was nothing).

Again, supposedly SI called up about every player they could in JT's past and all that they could dig up was this raffle thing. Hilarity.

WRT the inequity in the sport, I totally agree. The coaches and schools reap the benefits (sometimes very huge benefits) of kids playing a game. The kids get a pittance and that is that.

That's why I think we'll see the amateurism rules change sometime in the next decade. CFB is a billions of dollars a year business and the kids get a tiny fraction of that.

WRT Cam Newton's dad, he is a douchebag. Pimping out your son for hundreds of thousands of dollars in undeclared income is not only douchey, it's a federal crime. I still have no idea how the NCAA has not investigated Auburn any further. Insane.

The only thing that I can see is that someone had some dirt on the former LSU guy who is now head of the NCAA.

I hear you, rules are rules, and Cam's Dad broke the rules while Chizick "follows" them. One guy makes $3 million "legit and pays his taxes", while the other guy has to do it under the table for 1/30th of the amount.
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I hear you, rules are rules, and Cam's Dad broke the rules while Chizick "follows" them. One guy makes $3 million "legit and pays his taxes", while the other guy has to do it under the table for 1/30th of the amount.
They are indeed stupid rules.

BTW, I like Jason Whitlock's take on the whole scenario. I know you will too, Senor Cartman.

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The NCAA, colleges and university presidents and athletic directors, boosters, coaches and players are all to blame. Its a vicious cycle and no one is innocent in this particular case or any case at all.
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The problem with that is that the NCAA can just use their blanket punishment policy of "lack of institutional control"

They used it against USC. There was nothing proven, other than a conversation that the RB coach had on the phone with the agent who allegedly bought the house. That was their major piece of evidence.

For OSU, they have an actual paper trail and yes, cooperation. But it also shows that they played an entire season with players who should have been ineligible.

The NCAA will come down on them as hard as they did USC, if not harder because of actual evidence. They seem to be on a tear to set examples. The only problem the NCAA will have is when the colleges start to fight back.

Except for that little tidbit in the NCAA's investigation about both Pete Carroll and the associate AD at USC setting up a sports marketing internship with the group that Reggie Bush had signed with.

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There was information in the record that the former head football coach encouraged sports marketer A to hire student-athletes as interns. A current NFLPA certified agent ("sports agent B") is the chairman of a sports agency and a colleague of sports marketer A. He reported that the former head football coach asked sports marketer A to consider hiring football student-athletes as interns in his agency. Sports agent B reported:

(Sports marketer A) was like, „yeah, here's (the former head
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…How many players, I don't even know, maybe he tried to get him
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internship program for that summer. That's all I do know.

At the hearing, the former head coach denied that he asked sports marketer A to hire football student-athletes as interns, although he acknowledged that he knew sports marketer A and that he (sports marketer A) had "something about his past the years before that had gone wrong . . . (and) it was related to the NFL.”
[Note: At the hearing the institution's general counsel reported that, in 1995,
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athletics to determine if student-athletes would be interested in an internship with his (sports marketer B's) agency. [Note: sports marketer B and the associate director of athletics had been at another NCAA member institution at the same time and were acquainted with each other both there and subsequently in Los Angeles] The associate director of athletics confirmed that sports marketer B contacted him about employing student-athletes in paid internships at the agency.

Ultimately, three student-athletes, including student-athlete 1, worked as interns at the agency in the summer of 2005.

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. . . it was initially set up while I was there, and the talk was it was
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instance, the circumstances under which the three student-athletes, including student-athlete 1, were hired constituted a special arrangement made through the sports marketing agency and the institution's athletics department. Despite sports marketer B's claim to the contrary, there is no evidence that the internship positions provided to the USC student-athletes in the summer of 2005 were solicited externally. USC student-athletes and only USC student-athletes were hired for these positions. The circumstances surrounding the hiring of these student-athletes made sports marketers A and B, as well as their agency, representatives of the institution's athletics interests. This, in turn, gave rise to a heightened institutional responsibility to assess and monitor the employment situation and the relationship between student-athlete 1 and sports marketers A
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Both Pete Carroll and the USC administration knew who these guys were. And, really, the whole USC thing would have just gone away if Reggie Bush had just paid Lloyd Lake and Michael Michaels. Allowing it to turn into a lawsuit (and then attempting to fight that suit instead of settling immediately) was absolutely idiotic. To scoff that nobody knew, or that the only evidence was a phone call is downright false.
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They are indeed stupid rules.

BTW, I like Jason Whitlock's take on the whole scenario. I know you will too, Senor Cartman.

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Awesome link! Thanks! That was a good read. Finally a guy that is straight forward and calls it like it is. Admitting he too is one of the "Rich White Guys" exploiting the "young black kids" for a buck. Yes I know Whitlock is black, here "rich white guys" and "young black kids" are generic terms used to describe a certain group of people.

I was booted from another forum for telling it like it is, that CFB is one big charade. Yes the games and athletes are great, but underneath it all is a one big sham.

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This is the car Pryor just showed up to a meeting in. He is as dumb as a rock.

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BTW, that SI article was hardly revelatory or crushing. Lots of old stuff being re-spun.

I do love the media hate parade. A team with a giant fan base and a giant hate base is great for ratings/sales, so I understand jumping on. However, I'd love to punch a few of these smug cockwads in the mouth. The ones that seem genuinely happy. They are scum of the earth.

LOL. What a surprise that he's an idiot, who could have saw that coming? Can't blame him though, evidently it's gone on since Clarett has been there, and while someone like Ray Small may just be sour I think Clarett is dead on about a bunch of the things he said. I don't think OSU is the only big program who treats athletes like this either obviously.


It's just spiraling outta control at this point, and Pryor looks like he's made his way into the supplemental draft if he's smart. If he goes a year without football he'll be as fat as Jaime Dukes by the time he'd be eligible for the draft.
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LOL. What a surprise that he's an idiot, who could have saw that coming? Can't blame him though, evidently it's gone on since Clarett has been there, and while someone like Ray Small may just be sour I think Clarett is dead on about a bunch of the things he said. I don't think OSU is the only big program who treats athletes like this either obviously.


It's just spiraling outta control at this point, and Pryor looks like he's made his way into the supplemental draft if he's smart. If he goes a year without football he'll be as fat as Jaime Dukes by the time he'd be eligible for the draft.
Yeah, the car thing wrt CFB players is going on almost everywhere. Anecdotally, I see UT players driving some ridiculous rides around Austin.

I doubt if Pryor would let himself get fat. The guy is juiced up beyond belief. His head is exploding more than Tebow's was. His problem is that he is as dumb as a rock. I doubt any team would draft him as a QB.
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Yeah, the car thing wrt CFB players is going on almost everywhere. Anecdotally, I see UT players driving some ridiculous rides around Austin.

I doubt if Pryor would let himself get fat. The guy is juiced up beyond belief. His head is exploding more than Tebow's was. His problem is that he is as dumb as a rock. I doubt any team would draft him as a QB.
Fitting end for one of the most overhyped prospects ever. Became a victim of the system he embraced.

I wonder if teams would even consider drafting him at all or if he has become to toxic a player. Are there any OSU Students/fans on the forum that can give me an idea of how Pryor is being viewed in Columbus?
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Keeps getting better and better for Pryor.

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Now, NBC4 has learned that Pryor's driver's license was suspended less than two weeks ago, and he is still driving.

According to a report released by the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles, Pryor is driving on a suspended license.

Video taken by NBC4 Monday night shows Pryor driving as he left the Ohio State University's Woody Hayes Athletic Center.

NBC4 crews also saw him driving Tuesday.

Documents from the BMV indicated Pryor's license was suspended for no proof of insurance and is in effect through mid-August.

NBC4 was unable to determine through Franklin County Municipal Court if Pryor has been granted any driving privileges and the Ohio BMV said it has no indication that he has driving privileges.

He was stopped earlier this year for running a stop sign, last year for traveling 94 mph in a 65 mph zone and two years ago, for traveling 99 mph in a 65 mph zone.
http://www2.nbc4i.com/sports/2011/ma...obe-ar-513024/
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Maybe someone can get Pryor a Bentley so he can show up in style to his NCAA investigations.
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Maybe someone can get Pryor a Bentley so he can show up in style to his NCAA investigations.
Supposedly he WAS driving a Bentley when he was in South Beach hanging out with LeBron and DWade.
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QB is completely out of the question for Pryor, at this rate he's gonna make it hard to be drafted all together. He comes with a sense of entitlement and arrogance, and he's trouble for whoever does draft him. I don't think it'll necessarily be him getting arrested trouble, but constant negative press around him and the team.


He's never been a good QB prospect to begin with, and to project him to play WR is a whole nother ball game when your talking about the baggage he's leaving OSU with, the negative attention, and possibly a year away from football depending on how things turn out.
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This IMO isn't on the level of Pete Carroll KNOWING that an agent bought a house for Reggie Bush's parents.
Same type of infraction, technically, but it's sort of like equating shoplifting a candy bar to jacking someone's car. Both are theft, but not the same degree.
For starters, bush's parents were accused of living in a house rent free, nobody ever purchased a house for them. The NCAA was never close to linking Carroll to knowing anything. If you ever read that NCAA report, the evidence was pretty flimsy against SC. They associated the university's "knowledge" of the infractions on the RB coach, which was based on a single two minute cell phone record showing the "agent" and McNair spoke. McNair claims to have never spoken with the agent and who knows what took place on that phone call...I could literally call someone and blabber about selling something or requesting donations for my alma mater for two minutes. If you've never read the NCAA report, it was pretty bad and the punishment hardly fits the crime. Mostly though, a theme that the NCAA repeated throughout the report was that with great power, USC had greater responsibility than it demonstrated - literally, whoever wrote these lines in the report must have watched Spiderman the night before. With a handful of self-reported and minor violations, along with the "great power, great responsibility theme," and a lot of speculative evidence, they hit SC with the "lack of institutional control." That's the truth and I'm a Cal fan.

As for Ohio State, this is more than one guy (Bush in the case of USC) receiving improper benefits - from the sounds of it, everyone knew. When violations are as blatant as is being reported, this sounds a lot more of what I would consider "lack of institutional control." I think that Ohio St.'s punishment should be more severe than SC's if even half of being reported is true, but if the punishment is not, I wouldn't be surprised either - nothing surprises me much anymore.
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They are now focusing on Pryors many cars. I know he has 350z, a dodge charger and what else?
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here is an article that interview former Youngstown QB Ray Isaac which backs up the widespread theory that the SI article is very ******:

http://sportsradiointerviews.com/201...ac-ohio-state/
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They are now focusing on Pryors many cars. I know he has 350z, a dodge charger and what else?
Because it takes the heat off of Tressel, and Gene Smith.
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