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Old 06-17-2006, 05:55 PM    (permalink
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I think Satchel Paige was great, and he hasn't been mentioned. Too bad he didn't play his prime in the majors.
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My distant cousin Nolan.
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I'm gonna go with Bob Gibson.
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I personally believe that Satchel Paige was the greatest to ever play the game, if he had a chance to play in the MLB earlier on in his career he would have shown alot of people what a dominant pitcher looked like.
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Cy Young, by far IMO
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kofax dominated, he had the biggest fingers ever and could command and throw the ball better than anyone for a decade or more. i chose him but never seen cy young... i would choose him just because the trophy is named after him... but then again i do not choose things based on stats.. if i did that... i would think VY has a chance in hell to develop into a nfl qb.
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I don't know or follow baseball so i just guessed Cy Young
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My case Nolan Ryan is not worthy of the greatest of all time
Loses 292 Wins 324 thats a .526 win%

Bob Gibsons is 70% points higher

While he may be the strike out king he is also the walk king with..
2795 walks 1st all time. He led the league in walks 8 years

he has 277 wild pitches 1st all time

and hit 159 batters 9th all time

HE NEVER WON A CY YOUNG... and was only an 8 time all star taking into account he played for 27 years...

Bob Gisbon was and 8 time all start and 3 time cy young award winner and played 10 less years.
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It's Walter Johnson, can't believe he's not even on the list. Nolan Ryan and Tom sever shouldn't even be on the list.
Cy Young> Walter Johnson. Both were great pitchers
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Cy Young, by far IMO
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It's Walter Johnson, can't believe he's not even on the list. Nolan Ryan and Tom sever shouldn't even be on the list.
Cy Young> Walter Johnson. Both were great pitchers
Name one reason why Cy Young is better.
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One notable absence is Randy Johnson and his 5 Cy Youngs and 4441 Ks. I'd say he's top 5.
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It's Walter Johnson, can't believe he's not even on the list. Nolan Ryan and Tom sever shouldn't even be on the list.
Cy Young> Walter Johnson. Both were great pitchers
Name one reason why Cy Young is better.
More wins
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Cy Young played in a dead-ball era, those wins do not mean much, nor do they translate.


My vote goes to Bob Gibson.
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It's definitely Spahn, Clemens, or Ryan...............but I voted Cy Young because he played for Cleveland
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Too many people are saying Nolan Ryan, he is probably the best strikeout pitcher of all time; but not the best "pitcher" of all time.
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It's Walter Johnson, can't believe he's not even on the list. Nolan Ryan and Tom sever shouldn't even be on the list.
Cy Young> Walter Johnson. Both were great pitchers
Name one reason why Cy Young is better.
More wins
A terrible reason. Walter played for a FAR worse team than Cy did and played less years.
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Bob Gibson I mean they changed the rules because of his dominance. I only saw him at the very end of his carrer but easily the best I have ever seen and my vote for the best ever.
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i voted for cy young but i can't believe warren spahn doesn't have a vote yet.
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I think Pedro Martinez is the greatest pitcher of our era when you take into account his dominating stretch from 1997-2003. Clemens never had a 6 year strecth like that and arguably it was better than Koufax's 5/6 year period of his dominant pitching. Pedro in 200 in the AL in the midst of the steroid era in a small ballpark had a 1.74 E.R.A with 313 K's and only 37 BB's. You'll be hard pressed to find any pitcher in the history of baseball have as good a season as that.
Trust me, I know. Pedro has been my favorite player since '97. He was the reason I fell in love with the Red Sox and I was almost obsessed with him for a few years. Pedro's dominance over those 6 years was amazing, I'm not sure if any pitcher has had a stretch like that. But I just feel that Clemens has had the better overall career. Clemens has been more consistant throughout each season, has more Cy Young awards (although Pedro should have 4), and has pitched better in the play-offs.
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I agree with whoever said it, Nolan Ryan has way too many votes.
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Bob Gibson I mean they changed the rules because of his dominance. I only saw him at the very end of his carrer but easily the best I have ever seen and my vote for the best ever.
That is a good point, that makes me give an edge to him over Johnson or Young
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My case Nolan Ryan is not worthy of the greatest of all time
Loses 292 Wins 324 thats a .526 win%

Bob Gibsons is 70% points higher

While he may be the strike out king he is also the walk king with..
2795 walks 1st all time. He led the league in walks 8 years

he has 277 wild pitches 1st all time

and hit 159 batters 9th all time

HE NEVER WON A CY YOUNG... and was only an 8 time all star taking into account he played for 27 years...

Bob Gisbon was and 8 time all start and 3 time cy young award winner and played 10 less years.
jesus, thank you.

is it just me or is it strikingly obvious that nolan ryan doesn't deserve half his votes solely on the basis that no one who's supported him in this thread so far has been able to say anything other than "nolan ryan, obviously" like it's a legitimate argument and actually proves something?
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