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Old 11-14-2011, 04:15 PM    (permalink
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Yeah. I don't get all the fuzz. There's a reason goalies have a crease.
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Sid isn't coming back tomorrow. :(
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Because he shouldn't be?
People have gotten suspended for FAR LESS in the new NHL. It was a forearm to Miller's head. There was no reason to make the contact that he did.

I thought the league's intent was to protect its goalies similarly to NFL and quarterbacks.
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People have gotten suspended for FAR LESS in the new NHL. It was a forearm to Miller's head. There was no reason to make the contact that he did.

I thought the league's intent was to protect its goalies similarly to NFL and quarterbacks.
Hahaha. Forearm to the head? He pushed on his backshoulder. There's a better chance Miller's concussion is due to slamming his head on the ice like a ****** afterwards.
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People have gotten suspended for FAR LESS in the new NHL. It was a forearm to Miller's head. There was no reason to make the contact that he did.

I thought the league's intent was to protect its goalies similarly to NFL and quarterbacks.
So because people have been suspended for far less (when they probably shouldn't have) Lucic should be suspended just because Miller came 15 feet out of his crease and Lucic didn't let up? Buffalo should have ended this right when it happened, but they didn't. This type of incident should live and die on the ice. If the NHL had half the intensity it had 10+ years ago, Lucic wouldn't have left Buffalo without a few battle wounds. It's not Lucic's fault that the Sabres can't even stand up for their own superstar goalie.
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It brings up a situation that has been pretty interesting throughout the year, so far. Enroth has had much more success than Miller and it really has seemed like the team has played harder in front of Jhonas, for the most part. That can be true of a lot of backups, but the difference in numbers has really been staggering. 5-6 for Miller at a 2.80/.910, while Enroth is 5-0, 1.75/.940

Enroth did well in his last extended run, pretty much getting us into the playoffs last season. This will be an interesting test, especially with our defense clearly in a state of flux. I'd have to expect Myers will be a wrecking ball, when he gets back. I'd be supremely worried if he isn't.
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You come out of your net that far, you deserve to get checked. There was some malice intended by Lucic, but it's Miller's fault for being adventurous and coming so far out.
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If I was Miller, I'd be getting tired of all the breakaways and odd man rushes, too.
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Pathetic offensive period, but at least Weber knows why he's in. He is wrecking dudes.
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So because people have been suspended for far less (when they probably shouldn't have) Lucic should be suspended just because Miller came 15 feet out of his crease and Lucic didn't let up? Buffalo should have ended this right when it happened, but they didn't. This type of incident should live and die on the ice. If the NHL had half the intensity it had 10+ years ago, Lucic wouldn't have left Buffalo without a few battle wounds. It's not Lucic's fault that the Sabres can't even stand up for their own superstar goalie.
I don't see how the Sabres response to the incident should factor into your assessment of the collision.
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Hahaha. Forearm to the head? He pushed on his backshoulder. There's a better chance Miller's concussion is due to slamming his head on the ice like a ****** afterwards.
That's the way I see it. Watched it several times.

That's just one man's opinion. It's not like I'm a Sabres fan or a Bruins hater.
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I don't see how the Sabres response to the incident should factor into your assessment of the collision.
That's all it should be about. This is a man's sport, they should police themselves. They don't need some nanny in a suit to tell them what's right or wrong.
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That's all it should be about. This is a man's sport, they should police themselves. They don't need some nanny in a suit to tell them what's right or wrong.
That's fine from a fan's perspective, but not the league's. I can't understand your argument at all.
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That's fine from a fan's perspective, but not the league's. I can't understand your argument at all.
Well that's great because you haven't explained why Lucic deserves a suspension. He hit Miller hard 15 feet out of the crease, so what?
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Well that's great because you haven't explained why Lucic deserves a suspension. He hit Miller hard 15 feet out of the crease, so what?
It appears to me it was a forearm to the head. I also think goalies deserve some additional consideration in cases where the skater has every opportunity to not make contact (especially major contact).

And given that the player is Lucic, it's not like there's any doubt he did it deliberately.
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That Derek Roy is so hot right now. Not sure how we got a win after those first two periods, but I guess that's just Enroth magic. Loved our 4-on-3 kill in overtime, very fluid and got it to the skills competition.

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It appears to me it was a forearm to the head. I also think goalies deserve some additional consideration in cases where the skater has every opportunity to not make contact (especially major contact).

And given that the player is Lucic, it's not like there's any doubt he did it deliberately.
To me it seems Lucic hits his back shoulder. The upward momentum is what causes Miller's mask to fly off, there was no contact with the head. That's what it looks like to me at least.
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To me it seems Lucic hits his back shoulder. The upward momentum is what causes Miller's mask to fly off, there was no contact with the head. That's what it looks like to me at least.
It's hard to tell. I don't think he deserved a lengthy suspension, but a 1-gamer would have been warranted, if only to set an example. The NHL shouldn't want this set as a precedent. You don't want star goaltenders (or any of them) getting hurt cause players take the free opportunity to check them.
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I know he's out of the crease, but he was basically standing flat-footed and stationary. Vulnerable position. Lucic could have gone for the puck and scored with him so far out.
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meh, whatever. goalies shouldn't come out of the crease if they don't want to take a chance at getting hit.
There's a different between getting hit and getting run at. That's a legit boarding call without the boards.
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i just don't want to see the nhl adopt nfl like rules to protect them. if it means a guy takes a run at the occasional goalie, well.. the sabres should make sure he never wants to do it again.
Again, I don't see how the Sabres' reaction should be considered here. I'd still be annoyed even if the ghost of Rob Ray beat Lucic's ass.

There's a distinct difference between contact with a goalie and lining him up and running him over. Not that hard to prohibit one over the other.
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Again, I don't see how the Sabres' reaction should be considered here. I'd still be annoyed even if the ghost of Rob Ray beat Lucic's ass.

There's a distinct difference between contact with a goalie and lining him up and running him over. Not that hard to prohibit one over the other.
I don't understand how the Sabres' reaction could not be considered? If one player, just ONE player, goes after Lucic and at least throws legit punches at him, at least you stand up for your goalie, your team, the logo on your jersey, and the fans of your team. It's how hockey is supposed to be played. The fact that I'm even having to argue about this shows how far the NHL has dropped.

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I would venture to say that that was a more vicious hit than Lucic's. No suspension and Dallas did a better job than Buffalo standing up for that turd Belfour (although it should have been more in this instance as well).
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