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[ATLDirtyBirds]

Originally Posted by BlindSite

You're just bitter that you get to see your right tackle styled on twice a year. I watched every Panthers game this year, the dudes a beast. How can an article based on quantifiable numbers be wrong?

I'm sorry I'm not arguing over facts. Right now in the 43 defense there are not 5 players better than him at the end position.

I'm not bitter. Did I want Johnson? Yes. Do I think he's very good? Absolutely.


But this isn't baseball. Football isn't about "quantifiable numbers". Everything on PFF is entirely subjective.

[bucfan12]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

He'll more than likely stick with Dallas...but this is going to be an ugly price Dallas has to pay to keep him. Maybe north of $12 million per year.

A bidding war with the Bucs is the worst possible thing that could happen to Dallas right now.

The Bucs are close to 60 million under the cap. I know the Glazers are not happy with having to reach the floor of the cap because in a year or 2 they want to use most of that cash to lock up their younger players such as Freeman, Williams, Benn, and so on. But, they have the money and Dominik and Morris made it clear they want to surround Josh Freeman with talent and protection. They got him weapons last year, get him another dominate Tackle and resgin Joseph.

[M.O.T.H.]

Originally Posted by bucfan12

It all depends. Tampa isn't going to pay Free more money than Donald Penn, who got a 6 year 42 million. Free is coming to play RT at Tampa, if the Bucs get him.

However, the drafting of Tyron Smith doesn't exactly gurantee Free as a LT in Dallas either, from what I've heard. If the Bucs can steal Free and then resign Davin Joseph, they have just formed a dominate O-line with Penn, Larsen, Faine, Joseph and Free(left to right) to protect Freeman and plow the way for the running game.

Free was going to be our LT going into this season, with Smith starting at RT.

And they could surely pay him more than Penn, given this market and their funds. They have the money to do so. And Free is looking at a larger contract than Penn's. $7 million a year? I wish. Free's going to command anywhere from $10 million up, probably.

[M.O.T.H.]

Originally Posted by bucfan12

The Bucs are close to 60 million under the cap. I know the Glazers are not happy with having to reach the floor of the cap because in a year or 2 they want to use most of that cash to lock up their younger players such as Freeman, Williams, Benn, and so on. But, they have the money and Dominik and Morris made it clear they want to surround Josh Freeman with talent and protection. They got him weapons last year, get him another dominate Tackle and resgin Joseph.

There is something to be said about team loyalty. Realistically...Dallas can match any lucrative offer the Bucs make. It's just up to Dallas if they would like to do so. Considering we have so many other holes to fill.

But losing Free would be a season killer for Dallas.

[BeerBaron]

http://top100.nfl.com/

Hmm....you'd think that a top 5 defender regardless of position would at least make the list somewhere.

Not cutting it?

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story/090...o-bowl-rosters

Wh...whh....whats this? He's not there EITHER? how could this be!

[Ravens1991]

Im kind of surprised Gaither name hasnt been said at all during this time. Well at least I didnt hear it. Maybe the Ravens can get him back cheap

[Timbathia]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

The only thing that worries me in regard to Bradford is his receiving core. I just hope they dont become one of those teams that constantly neglect their QB, by passing on WR talent. I dont want them to be another one of those teams full of a bunch middle of the road 2 and 3s. Get the guy a true #1 if the opportunity is there.

I cant stand teams that so desperatley want their young QB to succeed. But all they do is surround them with oridinary possession receivers. And continue to pass on apparent elite WR talent year after year. It's an annoyance.

McDaniels proved in Denver that WRs dont really matter that much in his offense. did anyone believe that Brandon Lloyd and Jabar Gaffney would be that good as starters. McDaniels offense gets receivers really wide open down field, however, njx is also right, as the running game and screen pass section of McDaniels playbook is ******* hopeless.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by _YL_

The 49ers and Raiders are battling for the services of free agent FS Dashon Goldson, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Nice to hear Oakland name out.

Go ahead Oakland take him.

[phlysac]

Originally Posted by _YL_

The 49ers and Raiders are battling for the services of free agent FS Dashon Goldson, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Nice to hear Oakland name out.

Start Taylor Mays and Reggie Smith. Save the money from Goldson and Spikes leaving and sign Nnamdi.

Win.

[FuzzyGopher]

Seattle interested in Sidney Rice, that guy must really love Tarvaris.

[BlindSite]

Originally Posted by raiderz4life

I was gonna go Allen, Freeney, Peppers, Super Mario, and Abraham >>>> Johnson

More sacks then everyone not named Abraham, was better against the run and had more hurries than all of the above.

So tell me how they're better.

It's not sacks and it's not against the run? None of this really computes.

I'd say Jared Allen and Peppers but that's about it, he's more complete than everyone else and has better numbers than those two anyway.

I'm happy to agree to disagree, I'm not changing anyone's mind. It's cool though I'm the only one with anything to back my argument.

Originally Posted by BeerBaron

http://top100.nfl.com/

Hmm....you'd think that a top 5 defender regardless of position would at least make the list somewhere.

Not cutting it?

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story/090...o-bowl-rosters

Wh...whh....whats this? He's not there EITHER? how could this be!

No player has yet said they voted for that list which it turns out was a sheet with 20 lines on it for them to extrapolate who was best. It's laughable.

Probowl is just hilarious, Derek Anderson 07...

[M.O.T.H.]

Weddle to Jacksonville. Even with the Jackson signing...I'm surprised they let Weddle get away. Poz and Weddle, check the Jags out.

[Ness]

Dang. Go Jags.

[BlindSite]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

There is something to be said about team loyalty. Realistically...Dallas can match any lucrative offer the Bucs make. It's just up to Dallas if they would like to do so. Considering we have so many other holes to fill.

But losing Free would be a season killer for Dallas.

Columbo apparently hasn't been released... lol maybe he can start?

Free could very well walk tampa had a pretty bad offensive line last year and they're ridiculously under the cap, they could quite literally give him 20 million dollars and still have a tonne of room to sign and extend anyone they see if.

[Jughead10]

Originally Posted by BlindSite

More sacks then everyone not named Abraham, was better against the run and had more hurries than all of the above.

So tell me how they're better.

Cause those guys have a track record of playing at that level for their career. As of right now Johnson until he gets on the field has had one great year.

He also wishes he was Justin Tuck.

[BlindSite]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

Weddle to Jacksonville. Even with the Jackson signing...I'm surprised they let Weddle get away. Poz and Weddle, check the Jags out.

AJ Smith seems to like not paying anyone. It's really odd, there's a serious lack of talent at Safety in the NFL it seems and it's not like SD is strapped for cash.

[Ness]

So who is going to replace Weddle?

[FuzzyGopher]

Vikes agree to trade 6th rounder in 12 and possibly 6th in 13 to Wash for Donovan McNabb. Deal contingent on McNabb agreeing to much less $$


Per Jay Glazer

[M.O.T.H.]

Originally Posted by BlindSite

Columbo apparently hasn't been released... lol maybe he can start?

Free could very well walk tampa had a pretty bad offensive line last year and they're ridiculously under the cap, they could quite literally give him 20 million dollars and still have a tonne of room to sign and extend anyone they see if.

They wouldnt give him that much. But they could certainly drive it up. Dallas should be able to make a comparitive offer, assuming the Bucs just dont bully Dallas with like a $20 million offer. lol. Which is pretty damn unlikely. But the possibility is there that he becomes too rich for Dallas.

Colombo was going to be cut...actually,he was informed of his departure this morning. But something changed. Seems pretty obvious now, that they new about this Free situation pretty early in the day, and are keeping Colombo around just in case.

Dallas certainly doesnt want to go into the season with Smith forced to play LT and the over the hill Colombo back at RT. They're going to do whatever it takes to sign Free.

[AntoinCD]

Originally Posted by BlindSite

More sacks then everyone not named Abraham, was better against the run and had more hurries than all of the above.

So tell me how they're better.

It's not sacks and it's not against the run? None of this really computes.

I'd say Jared Allen and Peppers but that's about it, he's more complete than everyone else and has better numbers than those two anyway.

I'm happy to agree to disagree, I'm not changing anyone's mind. It's cool though I'm the only one with anything to back my argument.



No player has yet said they voted for that list which it turns out was a sheet with 20 lines on it for them to extrapolate who was best. It's laughable.

Probowl is just hilarious, Derek Anderson 07...

OK Im not trying to make this a lifetime achievement award but Johnson has 21.5 career sacks at an average of just over 5 sacks a year, once in his career was it double digits. Compare that with Dwight Freeney who has only twice failed to hit double digit sacks in his career. Players like Freeney and Mario Williams etc are also the focal point in gameplanning against by offensive coordinators. If Johnson can replicate his performance for a few years then Ill admit he's in the same group as the guys I mentioned. If not then he just goes down as a one year wonder who played well in a contract year and then got paid.

[phlysac]

Originally Posted by Ness

So who is going to replace Weddle?

Maybe Gilchrist will play FS.

[Komp]

I think the bottom line here is that the Panthers paid elite money for a player who is very good, but not exceptional. If Johnson continues his trajectory and can improve and maintain his productivity over the majority of the contract this is not a bad signing, but to say that he is a top 5 defensive end is a ridiculous statement.

[M.O.T.H.]

Tyler Thigpen signed a 3 year deal with Buffalo.

Texans re-signed Rashad Butler.

Dolphins are interested in Barber.

Giants trying hard to ink Bradshaw.

Mcgahee and Broncos have mutual interest.

Gradkowski will be a Bengal soon.

All per rotoworld.

[Splat]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

Tyler Thigpen signed a 3 year deal with Buffalo.

Gailey getting Thiggy with it again!

[M.O.T.H.]

Ike Taylor back with Steelers. 4 year deal.