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You're beating up a straw man here. I never said Omiyale was any good. I said he was a tiny bit better than Webb, which still means that he doesn't belong in the NFL at all.
Webb actually blocks people. While not any good at pass blocking he is at least adequate at run blocking. Omiyale doesnt block people.
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Webb actually blocks people. While not any good at pass blocking he is at least adequate at run blocking. Omiyale doesnt block people.
Your perception is not reality. Both were bottom 5 in pass AND run blocking.

There is nearly no difference between the two other than Webb being skyscraper-sized.

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Your perception is not reality. Both were bottom 5 in pass AND run blocking.

There is nearly no difference between the two other than Webb being skyscraper-sized.
Besides potential and age? which makes Webb a million times better
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Oh my god, they both suck, move on.
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So...Matt Forte is pissed...

@MattForte22 Only so many times a man who's done everything he's been asked to do can be disrespected! Guess the GOOD GUYS do finish last
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Besides potential and age? which makes Webb a million times better
See, if you go back to the Bears forum, you said that potential and age would make Webb improve between 2010 and 2011 and hammered me for doubting it. He didn't. He went from being the worst right tackle to the worst left tackle. That's not an improvement at all.

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Oh my god, they both suck, move on.
You're right about that. So far, Phil Emery has looked to be reasonable. I don't think he'll allow Tice to enter the season with his man-crush starting on Cutler's blind side. You just know Cutler's said something about it to him.


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So...Matt Forte is pissed...

@MattForte22 Only so many times a man who's done everything he's been asked to do can be disrespected! Guess the GOOD GUYS do finish last
You wanted a backup contract for 3.5 million a year, too? Sign on the dotted line, Matt. You were offered twice as much guaranteed money as Bush and more than twice as much total value. You're better, but you're not twice the running back Bush is.

I'm all for riding him into the ground this year and letting him walk next year. Running backs are a horrible bet to live up to large contracts.

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@MattForte22 Only so many times a man who's done everything he's been asked to do can be disrespected! Guess the GOOD GUYS do finish last
I think the Bears would GLADLY match Michael's deal if you want it Matt. Just ask them. Hell, maybe they can even throw in another million or two.
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Awesome. Now let's just see Goodell bring the hammer down on Brandon Marshall and the off-season will be perfect for those who like watching the Bears fail.
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Or you just trade him to a team that needs a RB
Like Cincinnati :)

I would gladly give you #21 for him.
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At 6-foot-4, 266 pounds, Tollefson most likely projects as a 3-4 outside linebacker in Green Bay's scheme. His growth has been gradual. Drafted by the Packers in the seventh round in 2006 out of Northwest Missouri State, he was let go and latched on with the Giants.
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Or you just trade him to a team that needs a RB
Like Cincinnati :)

I would gladly give you #21 for him.
I would take that because I don't value RBs all that highly. I doubt your team would actually pay him what he wants and I doubt mine would actually give him up though...
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Gtdamn it....who the hell is gonna back up DMC when he gets hurt like a ***** again???
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Hey Matt, I love you and really, really want you to be a Bear forever, but quit acting like a whiny *****.

You are the one that is trying to get more money out of the team and are a legitimate threat to hold out if you don't get your way. Are the Bears cheap and probably undervaluing you? Yes. But that doesn't mean you can't meet them in the middle. So what are they supposed to do, risk going into the season with no starting RB? So because they are protecting the organization from disaster, they are now not being loyal. Guess what? The money they just dished out to Bush isn't starter money. It's not like they are signing him and saying, "Here, go compete with Forte to be our starter." They signed him because he can fill in at starter if necessary.

GTFO with playing the victim card when the truth is you are probably being just as irrational in how much you are asking as the Bears are in how much they're offering. If it really bothers you that much, **** or get off the pot.

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I forgot that the $4.6M 2-year deal Barber got and the $12.5M 4-year deal for Chester Taylor were HUGE. $2.5M-3M for a quality back up is big money now...
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I would take that because I don't value RBs all that highly. I doubt your team would actually pay him what he wants and I doubt mine would actually give him up though...
Most years I wouldnt dream it but with 2 firsts and such a huge need for a RB, I would.
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I forgot that the $4.6M 2-year deal Barber got and the $12.5M 4-year deal for Chester Taylor were HUGE. $2.5M-3M for a quality back up is big money now...
Most NFL players aren't that bright. This has become more painfully obvious to me over time.
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Or you just trade him to a team that needs a RB
Like Cincinnati :)

I would gladly give you #21 for him.
I would gladly take #21 for him. Someone get this done.
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Considering they've been making more money than Forte every year hes been with the team I can understand why hes upset considering hes like... quadrupling their production.
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Considering they've been making more money than Forte every year hes been with the team I can understand why hes upset considering hes like... quadrupling their production.
Facts of life in the NFL. Any deal the Bears offered to him would have been far more than what the other guys on that list got.

I still hate the Panthers for giving DeAngelo Williams that stupid deal. The agents of the free agent RBs like Forte and Rice probably look at that as the bare minimum floor that they'd accept because those guys are worlds better than Williams.
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Considering they've been making more money than Forte every year hes been with the team I can understand why hes upset considering hes like... quadrupling their production.
He was offered a fair deal like the one Jamaal Charles got. Even better, in fact. It was a little more total money, 1.5x more guaranteed money, and one less year. He wants one like DeAngelo Williams got. He can **** and sign. Then he'll make a lot more than Bush.

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We have the money!!!!

Go talk to Jrdrylie, he has the Bears in a forum mock, get him on board and we can work something out
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Considering they've been making more money than Forte every year hes been with the team I can understand why hes upset considering hes like... quadrupling their production.
Forte is also on his rookie contract. It's not like the Bears saw how awesome he is, and decided he's only worth $500K. The man is going to get paid, that's a given. He's getting paid $7.7M this year just by default, and will likely get at least that, probably a little more plus long term when the negotiations shake out.

So any way you look at it, Forte will likely be making 2-3 times as much as his backup and over a longer period of time. Yea, that would piss me off too.
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And I'm not upset with Forte for being unhappy with deals being offered to him by the Bears or wanting more money. That's part of the game and I'm all for it.

I think he has no idea wtf he's talking about when he complains about his team signing a backup at his position for the same money they've spent on backups in the past. Why all of a sudden now does he get pissed that they signed a backup to that money? Oh, that's right, because he wants that extra $2M/year for his contract. Now all of a sudden it's disrespecting him to do exactly what they've done the last 2 years when he hasn't had a problem with it.
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He was offered a fair deal like the one Jamaal Charles got. Even better, in fact. It was a little more total money, 1.5x more guaranteed money, and one less year. He wants one like DeAngelo Williams got. He can **** and sign. Then he'll make a lot more than Bush.
I did not know this. I've been pretty confused by the Bears fans apparent contempt for Forte, but he's not better than Charles. If anything, a healthy Jamaal Charles is worth 1.5x as much guaranteed money. Yeah, Forte should take that deal and be happy with it.

And that Williams contract was stupid. How batshit stupid do you have to be to give that type of deal to a 28 year old RB?
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