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Old 07-27-2011, 09:00 PM    (permalink
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I disagree. The West stinks. We can agree on that. Is Orton good enough to win the West? I think so. Is Kolb? He could be. Either way I don't think you answered your franchise QB problem. But now you've likely set yourself back more years.
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neither is the answer, one costs more, thus more investment, and worst case scenario costs you a shot at a real qb solution, thus just setting you back more years.
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A 6 or 7...no. Not Kyle Orton. His deep balls look like punts. He might be able to heave it that far, but it's unlikely to come down anywhere near where he was aiming.
Arm strength is not solely defined by how far a guy can throw. Orton has always had a solid fastball/velocity and can fit the ball into tight spots.

Hasselbeck would be about a 5, for comparison to Orton.
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The funniest thing about all this is how obvious it is that the Eagles don't consider him a franchise QB. Except since the Cards do they'll pay a king's ransom for him. Idiots. Was anyone else even remotely competing to acquire him, or we the Cards just driving up the value on themselves?
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Is there any new news so the "discussion" (I use the term very loosely here) on the Kolb trade can end?
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Marc Colombo on the Chiefs radar? Weird. Any good? Last I knew he has had an up and down 2-3 years.
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has anyone heard who Johnathen Joseph is looking at? John CLayton said he will make a decision tonight but I haven't heard him linked to anyone.
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i was wondering that too...i was kinda assuming it would be one of the runner ups for nnamdi
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has anyone heard who Johnathen Joseph is looking at? John CLayton said he will make a decision tonight but I haven't heard him linked to anyone.
Read somewhere that Cleveland is going after him. Haven't heard anything else.
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Is there any new news so the "discussion" (I use the term very loosely here) on the Kolb trade can end?
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has anyone heard who Johnathen Joseph is looking at? John CLayton said he will make a decision tonight but I haven't heard him linked to anyone.
If the 49ers don't land Asomugha they'd bettter get Joseph.
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The Ravens better get someone especially with Wilson leaving
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All the assumptions that Kolb will be a bust are based largely on a few games, of which his critics choose to blow off his good games and point to the bad ones as the 'true' measure of the kind of QB he will be when given a chance to be the full time starter. Seems like confirmation bias to me.
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All the assumptions that Kolb will be a bust are based largely on a few games, of which his critics choose to blow off his good games and point to the bad ones as the 'true' measure of the kind of QB he will be when given a chance to be the full time starter. Seems like confirmation bias to me.
even if hes ok they gave up too much. no way he should have gone for THAT much more if any than cassel or shaub.

im still not even convinced he should have been drafted above stanton and edwards....and they both suck
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Raiders seem to be interested in Deuce Lutui can't say I know much about him but its nice that Oakland is looking around at offense lineman.
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If Draft picks were the untouchable commodities that many Draft fans seem to think they are, the Cardinals should be overflowing with talented players, because they pick at the top of every round most years. Go look at the history of Cardinal's second round picks. I bet it's not that impressive. Even if Kolb can be an average starting QB, DRC and a 2nd isn't that much to give up.
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Texans are working hard on Joseph and Aso, according to Rotoworld.
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Jeff King gone to the cardinals being reported by multiple sources. He's not a great receiver but he'll be a huge boost to the run game.

John Kasay has been released too, apparently the Panthers have picked up Olindo Mare. Sad day in a way, Kasay was the last original panther remaining.
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Lutui isn't bad, from what I know he was pretty decent in Az.
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Anyone seen anything on Kiwanuka? Really want him.


Edit: And I love the Breaston move for the Chiefs. Good work there.
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Edit: And I love the Breaston move for the Chiefs. Good work there.
Nothing yet, on him or Timba Hali, I'd expect both to be retained but who knows.

OP updated with signings I've found to be confirmed too.
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Pete Carroll might be the league's new "worst talent evaluator" after McD got fired, but I think he's kept his ability to sweet talk and "recruit" from his USC days.
They have John Schneider there in charge of personnel, in Seattle. They hired him away from Green Bay a year+ ago, and he learned from Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson.
I don't think Carroll is running the show there with personnel decisions.
I wonder if Pete wanted Leinart. Would he want Chuck Whitehurst more than Leinart?
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Anyone seen anything on Kiwanuka? Really want him.


Edit: And I love the Breaston move for the Chiefs. Good work there.
I feel the Giants are really trying to see how Osi's hold out plays out, as well as Kiwi's health. His bulging disk injury is throwing a monkey wrench in everything. Giants really wanna give him a 1 year deal to see if he's healthy
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Am I the only one who can't stand to listen to NFLN? Warren Sapp
No.
You certainly are not the only one.
That guy getting paid to speak, is one of today's greatest unsolved mysteries.
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