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Old 03-12-2013, 01:56 PM    (permalink
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i think the steelers overpaid for antonio brown with a 5 year extenstion for $42 million, i say that because they only did it to say **** you to wallace.

I use this because i think brown was a perfect compliment to wallace, but wallace needed brown too. Thats pretty much how i see Nicks/Cruz. Nicks is pretty close to wallace when it comes to production over their first 3-4 years, which is a rarity for a young WR to step in and be so productive, but i think brown and cruz benefited greatly from their production, especially when it came to down field throws and scoring TDs, cruz and brown ate up underneath stuff.

Cruz has brown in the TD department, which to me is mostly because of scheme, but imo they are pretty similar players. It pains me that the steelers pay brown that deal with hopes of him replacing wallace as the #1, its the salary of an upper tier #2 but it was a premature deal just to piss wallace off.

Anyway, thats probably where cruz should be looking for a salary (from the giants at least), but since he has been so productive its natural for him to want more...i just think investing in him like hes bowe, or like how nicks deal is going to be coming up soon would be a huge mistake, but he MAY be able to get that kind of money from another team that wants that production, i just dont think hes going to go anywhere and put up numbers like he is in NY which is what teams that are going to trade for him and pay him are going to want. Hes literally in such a perfect situation, i think it would be wise for him to give a hometown discount and stay with the giants as long as he can...its just not the nature of the business

EDIT: I guess the giants have made him a high offer but cruz is generating enough buzz to make it worthwhile for him to see what other offers he could get, which doesnt happen very often with RFAs. I think its pretty insane, but i kinda like cruz so good for him, hes playing it well. Should be interesting at least


Well both Wrs play off of each other which is good. But in our system which is based on the Gilbride Run and Shoot system, specifically at the Wr spot, choice and option routes.

Cruz and Nicks, but mostly Cruz, out of the slot, when he is there, can do what the rules dictate. So he may not just eat up under neath coverage, because his his pre snap read and post snap read might dictate something else. That's the beauty of this system! And that's the trouble too! Some guys can't mentally understand it. So what happens then? Eli throws left, Wr runs right, and ball goes for an int. Then the average fan or non giant fans wonders where Eli is throwing it. But in reality, the Wr is doing god knows what and reading the wrong thing.

I think Cruz would be productive in another system but not the play maker he is with us. That's where we were debating this in our section of the MB. Due to the nature of the business, he will try to get maximum money, and if we don't pay him, teams are bound to be interested be it now or if he becomes a UFA after this year.

If fans are thinking he will be a playmaker like in our system, then I'd be worried about the translation of that production.
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RG3 needs to slow down and let himself heal up. This is like the 3rd time I've heard him say he is vowing to start the season. For a guy who's game is so dependant on his mobility, he shouldn't risk it. He is going into year 2 not 12. You have time still.
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word is the browns are going to be throwing 11m per year at paul kruger.

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Wow! I like Kruger and wanted him but no way in hell for that much.
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The Browns must be hellbent on hitting the salary floor.
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11mil/yr???? No Thanks. He is good, but not worth that at all.
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supposedly we're also willing to get into a bidding war for jared cook

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^^ I think you mean clearing cap space to sign Ponder to a 6 year/$130m contract to show him that they have more faith in him than the Ravens do Flacco

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Not sure exactly how to feel about this because he was very good last year, but we're pretty clearly trying to get younger and with the moves Spielman has been making lately I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Vikes getting rid of their best CB and best WR is really confusing. If they don't kill it in FA and the draft, they're not sniffing the playoffs again.
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Apparently we are gonna throw 13 mil at Wallace
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"NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports members of the Vikings' organization "aren't thrilled" with GM Rick Spielman's decision to cut Antoine Winfield.
Winfield has been the best slot corner in football several seasons running. "It's a move backwards," is how one club official characterized the move. Despite his age -- 36 in June -- Winfield immediately becomes a top-ten cornerback available in free agency. We'd rank them like this: 1) Aqib Talib 2) Sean Smith 3) Brent Grimes 4) Winfield 5) Keenan Lewis 6) Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie 7) Derek Cox 8) Chris Houston 9) Antoine Cason 10) DeAngelo Hall. "

Sounds like Rick was on his own on this move....
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