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Old 07-27-2011, 07:20 PM    (permalink
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From broth's info,

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Old 07-27-2011, 07:20 PM    (permalink
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This is my first game but Shane has a little too much info right now and I don't like how he's steering the bus. He wants you to think he's good but his evil jumping ability can't be looked over.

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Voting tally thus far:

Renji/GOW: 12 (Shane P. Hallam, Fenikz, DeepThreat, IamBrotherCain, raiderz4life, Diabsoule, CJSchneider, Caddy, D-Unit, vidae, Giantsfan1080, sbh15)



With 25 people left alive, 13 votes are needed to reach a majority.

(Just want to remind everyone to make sure you use the proper format if you wish to vote for someone! I saw a couple instances where people seemed to agree with a vote but not use the format. i.e. Vote: Forenci. Also, if you unvote, make sure you do that first and then re-vote to the person of your choosing.)
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Old 07-27-2011, 07:21 PM    (permalink
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unless he has info that GOW is a very important ally to the rebel forces! (i don't really know the roles well enough to know if this is actually possible)
That happened in the last game. Renji was a very important player for the townfolk except he acted suspiciously and the town rallied against him and lynched him.
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Old 07-27-2011, 07:22 PM    (permalink
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Here is what happened last night
1. An angel saved the person who was meant to be killed.
2. A Blocker on our side blocked the killer.
3. There is a kill every other day policy for the Empire.
4. The villains tried to kill someone who is bullet proof.
I'd also point out that due to the Sith not knowing each other, people may have with held themselves for a bit on their roles.

If you want to No Lynch, that is fine, but then who will be losing the key piece? It will be the Light side losing to the death tactics of the dark with the new information THEY have. You wanted people to come forward with information, as much or as little as possible. This is good to help us make decisions. It is bad however leading the Sith to who to kill. No lynching makes that even more of a possibility.

If Renji is lynched and bad, then I can be saved (hopefully). If you no lynch, you obviously will still have questions that can't be answered until it is too late. What are the three cases?

1. Renji is evil, we kill him, we gan the advantage. Sith try to kill me, and I can be protected (or you can protect other key pieces you know exists).

2. We no lynch, if Renji is a Sith who is not known by other Sith, they will kill me and try to frame him. If he is not known, they may still kill me to make you believe he was just being framed.

3. Renji is good, you learn more information. Sith won't kill me as they will expect you to lynch me (despite me being good,) and may end up killing one of their own. Obviously, it is not an ideal outcome, but at least we learn more.
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Old 07-27-2011, 07:22 PM    (permalink
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I agree with JBond's tactic of looking at personal traits to determine how they are playing this game. In doing so, I don't think Shane would put himself out there without knowing he has something to gain from it.

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Old 07-27-2011, 07:23 PM    (permalink
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wow, one person jumps on the bandwagon and you all follow suit? and in such rapid fire fashion? seems like a very elaborate sith plan if i've ever seen one... the rebels are in control so long as we aren't lynching our own, but you are so quick to in the name of "getting things going".

edit: i am by no means defending GOW, merely calling into question the tactics of the group of voters thus far
See the thing is... In the last mafia game JBond slow played everything. Coming out guns blazing like this is out of character if he was a Sith.

He knows that if he is wrong about Renji hes as good as dead. So based upon knowing how he played and how he is playing I think he has some info
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This is my first game but Shane has a little too much info right now and I don't like how he's steering the bus. He wants you to think he's good but his evil jumping ability can't be looked over.

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My issue with this is that we can't all ask someone to come forward with information and then lynch them when they do so. Do I believe Renji is evil? No. But I can't fault Jbond for coming forward and saying he has information that helps us, he's only doing what we collectively asked him to do. Lynching him for attempting to help us is idiotic and hypocritical.

And broth, I'm not being bloodthirsty, I was advising against a no lynch. The evil did us a big favor by not acting when they had the chance, I dont want to return that favor by waiting another night and seeing who gets killed.
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Old 07-27-2011, 07:25 PM    (permalink
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This is my first game but Shane has a little too much info right now and I don't like how he's steering the bus. He wants you to think he's good but his evil jumping ability can't be looked over.

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If you vote for me, you are setting yourself up for failure. Now, ANYONE with information will not come forward for fear of being accused. If my intuition is wrong and Renji is good, fine, do what you want. But knowing this guy for how many years? I know how he acts, and it is much more shady here than before. Is it wrong for me to have "too much" info? As fenikz has said, using your brain and thinking is the way to succeed here. Punishing those who do is how we lose the Rebel cause. Why would someone who is evil post a crap ton and put themselves in the spotlight? Heck, even when accused, Renji has done the complete opposite of that! He is still trying to go under the radar and you are allowing him to do such.


Am I taking a risk? Heck yes. It is the only way to start things IMO. If we play again (and I hope we do,) and I don't have anything, I sure as heck am not going to make willy nilly accusations. Heck, if Renji is evil, don't exactly expect me to come out and have info every night either. I want to watch people act and hop on opportunities as they come.
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Old 07-27-2011, 07:27 PM    (permalink
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I'd also point out that due to the Sith not knowing each other, people may have with held themselves for a bit on their roles.

If you want to No Lynch, that is fine, but then who will be losing the key piece? It will be the Light side losing to the death tactics of the dark with the new information THEY have. You wanted people to come forward with information, as much or as little as possible. This is good to help us make decisions. It is bad however leading the Sith to who to kill. No lynching makes that even more of a possibility.

If Renji is lynched and bad, then I can be saved (hopefully). If you no lynch, you obviously will still have questions that can't be answered until it is too late. What are the three cases?

1. Renji is evil, we kill him, we gan the advantage. Sith try to kill me, and I can be protected (or you can protect other key pieces you know exists).

2. We no lynch, if Renji is a Sith who is not known by other Sith, they will kill me and try to frame him. If he is not known, they may still kill me to make you believe he was just being framed.

3. Renji is good, you learn more information. Sith won't kill me as they will expect you to lynch me (despite me being good,) and may end up killing one of their own. Obviously, it is not an ideal outcome, but at least we learn more.
I have no idea what broth is talking about.... Now with this, I'm just lost. Maybe the basis on my vote on GOW was too shallow.

Changing my vote on GOW.

Vote: Undecided

I need to watch this play out more.
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hmm... this is an interesting situation, and in a way i am beginning to lean toward shane's argument. if we vote to lynch renji and we are wrong, then he becomes the prime target for the next vote. the info i really need is if it's possible that the sith have identified an renji as an important rebel at this point. honestly the way things played out after fenikz jumped on board with shane is just too suspicious for me. within 10 minutes, we had 7 or 8 guys on board with the lynching.
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hmm... this is an interesting situation, and in a way i am beginning to lean toward shane's argument. if we vote to lynch renji and we are wrong, then he becomes the prime target for the next vote. the info i really need is if it's possible that the sith have identified an renji as an important rebel at this point. honestly the way things played out after fenikz jumped on board with shane is just too suspicious for me. within 10 minutes, we had 7 or 8 guys on board with the lynching.
This i highly doubt
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Where's broth's information coming from? I know what he said, but how would he know all that?
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If the Sith found a key Jedi, wouldn't they just wait a round and kill them themselves? WHY would they put it out there like I have when, obviously, it is leading to people just turning on me for trying to play the game and help? By voting for me, it is just proof that trying to be PROACTIVE in this game is a bad thing. If you want to No lynch, fine, but voting for me doesn't do anything. Voting for Renji will give you the information you need to make an INFORMED decision tonight and tomorrow.
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hmm... this is an interesting situation, and in a way i am beginning to lean toward shane's argument. if we vote to lynch renji and we are wrong, then he becomes the prime target for the next vote. the info i really need is if it's possible that the sith have identified an renji as an important rebel at this point. honestly the way things played out after fenikz jumped on board with shane is just too suspicious for me. within 10 minutes, we had 7 or 8 guys on board with the lynching.
I think its because ppl are afraid of a No Lynch day and have innocents get taken out at night. So when they see someone like JBond who was really methodical and slow-paced in the previous game come out and sticking his neck on the line, it makes it hard to not go with him I would say.
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What I don't get is this: everyone is saying "I'm not going to vote until any information comes out, just a little will help" and then JBond comes out and provides what info he has, which is putting his neck on the line, and some folks still are like "eh... can you do better? I mean, it's great you did what you did but I don't believe you enough"

How is it suspicious of JBond to pay attention to someone's posting habits and behavior? Seems like he's actually doing his homework. I'm believing in Shane this time because he knows that if he's wrong then he's going to have the whole group turn on him.
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It was his experience of playing these types of games as USUALLY there is a death every night by the bad guys. This game is slightly different with more unique and detailed roles and both sides not always knowing who is with them.
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Shane is obviously throwing his name out there with these seemingly unfounded accusations. You'd have to think a sith would be stupid to put himself in the spotlight so I'm gonna trust Jbond on this one.

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Old 07-27-2011, 07:36 PM    (permalink
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What I don't get is this: everyone is saying "I'm not going to vote until any information comes out, just a little will help" and then JBond comes out and provides what info he has, which is putting his neck on the line, and some folks still are like "eh... can you do better? I mean, it's great you did what you did but I don't believe you enough"

How is it suspicious of JBond to pay attention to someone's posting habits and behavior? Seems like he's actually doing his homework. I'm believing in Shane this time because he knows that if he's wrong then he's going to have the whole group turn on him.
And though being evil in the past was fun [i.e. Mafia game, props to vidae, Jensen, and Cain,] this is why I WANTED to be good. So I can analyze what I know and come to conclusions during my boredom. It's what I am doing here, right or wrong. Is that better or worse than saying nothing? It seems like it would have been better to keep my mouth shut.
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Where's broth's information coming from? I know what he said, but how would he know all that?

The first 4 were possibilities ... as in why no one died the night before
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Shane has convinced me I had been looking at him the wrong way.

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Shane is obviously throwing his name out there with these seemingly unfounded accusations. You'd have to think a sith would be stupid to put himself in the spotlight so I'm gonna trust Jbond on this one.

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Hahaha TBW really proved that one.
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Hahaha TBW really proved that one.
Well wasn't TBW a good guy while everything was going down...then the night Jensen...you asshat...killed me he turned over to your side?
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Hahaha TBW really proved that one.
Exactly. If Jbond proves to be correct, then fantastic. If he proves to be wrong, as TBW was, then we really need to ask ourselves if we need to lynch him.
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