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Old 08-16-2011, 01:48 PM    (permalink
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there is nothing that sets corey dillon apart from running backs like fred taylor, warrick dunn, tiki barber, eddie george, thomas jones or shaun alexander. none of whom should ever even sniff the hall of fame.
You're kidding me. Dillon was a lot more consistent than a lot of those players. He has a boatload more touchdowns than Tiki Barber. He didn't have the injury problems that Fred Taylor had (plus he has a lot more touchdowns as well), had way more consistent and dominant seasons than Dunn in terms of yards and touchdowns (Dunn shouldn't even be in the conversation with everyone else you mentioned), trumps Thomas Jones in touchdowns and yardage while playing for only ten years, and beats George again in touchdowns. The only other guy that really has Dillon outgunned is Alexander. But he loses in yardage while he beats Dillon for touchdowns. Actually I'd probably give Dillon the edge because of not only yards, but he also has a ring...and he was still a threat up until he left the game.

I'll meet you halfway and say Dillon should at least be in the conversation.
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You're kidding me. Dillon was a lot more consistent than a lot of those players. He has a boatload more touchdowns than Tiki Barber. He didn't have the injury problems that Fred Taylor had (plus he has a lot more touchdowns as well), had way more consistent and dominant seasons than Dunn in terms of yards and touchdowns (Dunn shouldn't even be in the conversation with everyone else you mentioned), trumps Thomas Jones in touchdowns and yardage while playing for only ten years, and beats George again in touchdowns. The only other guy that really has Dillon outgunned is Alexander. But he loses in yardage while he beats Dillon for touchdowns. Actually I'd probably give Dillon the edge because of not only yards, but he also has a ring...and he was still a threat up until he left the game.

I'll meet you halfway and say Dillon should at least be in the conversation.
Corey Dillon was a good/very good player. He was never dominant, always very good.

I don't think rings are as helpful for someone's cause unless it's a QB or coach honestly.
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Corey Dillon was a good/very good player. He was never dominant, always very good.

I don't think rings are as helpful for someone's cause unless it's a QB or coach honestly.
Oh I disagree. Especially in 2004.
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It's so dumb that people like Dillon will get consideration over Steve Atwater, or the upcoming safeties.

You really think Dillon was comparable to top RBs like Atwater, Reed, Dawkins, Easley etc are for safeties?
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C.Dillon > C.Martin

He did break Walter Peyton's single game rushing record.
Well, he was the first to do it.
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I hope you all realize that while you can debate the merits of Dillon in the HOF, there is zero chance it happens.
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Oh, I'm completely aware of this.
Also the point that S.Atwater should be in before he and C.Martin
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What do you guys think of Jamal Lewis chances of getting into the HOF?
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Small, but possible. He's really helped by the fact that he made the all-2000's team. (these things are really important to voters).

I'd put Lewis a little higher than Dillon. I shouldn't have said Dillon has no chance, but I think it's probably less than 5%, and I would put Lewis at about 10%. As njx said, if Dillon gets in then you're talking about guys like Fred Taylor, Tiki Barber, Warrick Dunn, and Eddie George as possibilities too.

Of all of those guys, I think Lewis has the best chance due to his 2000+ yard season (the others on the list are O.J. Simpson, Eric Dickerson, Barry Sanders, Terrell Davis, and Chris Johnson). Injuries ruined Davis' shot, the other three are already in the HOF, and Johnson is the best runningback currently in the league.

I'm torn on his actual chances, but I'd personally vote no.
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Pretty low. He was an amazing runner though. His 2000 yard year was crazy.
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^^^ yea, but wasn't about 400+ yds off the Browns though lol
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I never saw Kevin Greene play, but I always wondered why isnt he in the HOF? Isnt he 3rd all time with sacks
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I would like to add that Lewis did help the Ravens win the superbowl.
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I never saw Kevin Greene play, but I always wondered why isn't he in the HOF? Isn't he 3rd all time with sacks
Same here. I think I saw him towards the end of his career with Carolina
but I honestly can't recall anything about him....
A quick google search says he beasted from a sack POV but I didn't see much of him though
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I like Kevin Greene a lot, but when he played with Pittsburgh, there was no question that Greg Lloyd was the best OLB on that team if you ask me. And if you look at sack numbers, that would be hard to believe since Lloyd didn't have 10 sack seasons like Greene put up year in and year out.

If Lloyd wasn't such an asshole to the media, didn't stick handguns into his son and wife's mouth, then he might get Hall of Fame talk. He was a phenomenal athlete.

Greene bounced around a lot and played for a bunch of different teams. I'm not sure what team he would go in for when he gets inducted, which will happen eventually. He was most recognized for his tenure in Pittsburgh (where he was apart of one of the great LB groups in NFL history), but was only there for three years.

Greene was also playing in the NFL with guys like Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, Bruce Smith, Michael Strahan, Derrick Thomas who rushed the passer and were, simply put, better players. So he tends to get overlooked.
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I hope you all realize that while you can debate the merits of Dillon in the HOF, there is zero chance it happens.
I'd say his chances should be just about as good as Martin's. I'd probably put Martin a little higher, but not that high. I can't recall many years where he was arguably the best at this position. This hurts Dillon too, but I think the fact that Dillon was still a consistent back like Martin, durable, has a lot of yards and touchdowns plus a Super Bowl rings, helps his case.

I'm definitely putting Dillon ahead of the likes of George, Taylor, Barber, and Warrick Dunn (can't believe someone tried to compared Dillon to Dunn).
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Small, but possible. He's really helped by the fact that he made the all-2000's team. (these things are really important to voters).

I'd put Lewis a little higher than Dillon. I shouldn't have said Dillon has no chance, but I think it's probably less than 5%, and I would put Lewis at about 10%. As njx said, if Dillon gets in then you're talking about guys like Fred Taylor, Tiki Barber, Warrick Dunn, and Eddie George as possibilities too.

Of all of those guys, I think Lewis has the best chance due to his 2000+ yard season (the others on the list are O.J. Simpson, Eric Dickerson, Barry Sanders, Terrell Davis, and Chris Johnson). Injuries ruined Davis' shot, the other three are already in the HOF, and Johnson is the best runningback currently in the league.

I'm torn on his actual chances, but I'd personally vote no.
Oh come on. Lewis has 10,000 yards sure, but really had one dominant season. He's only made one Pro Bowl Bowl and All-Pro, and doesn't have close the amount of touchdowns Dillion got in ten years.
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Oh come on. Lewis has 10,000 yards sure, but really had one dominant season. He's only made one Pro Bowl Bowl and All-Pro, and doesn't have close the amount of touchdowns Dillion got in ten years.
His one dominant season is still more than Dillon's zero dominant seasons.
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His one dominant season is still more than Dillon's zero dominant seasons.
If u played on those Bengal teams in the late 90's and early 00's and had the numbers that Dillon had those count as dominant seasons.
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I disagree. I think a 1600+ yd, 13TD season is pretty dominant. That's just me though, I guess.
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It's not on par with 2,000+ and 14 touchdowns.
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I wasn't comparing one dominant season to another.
Just stating that it still is a dominant season.
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