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View Poll Results: What will happen to CJ2K?
Holdout out entire season 6 7.59%
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He'll come back, and play out his contract 11 13.92%
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Old 09-01-2011, 12:24 AM    (permalink
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CJ is the 32nd highest paid RB or starting running back, forget. AD and CJ are in two different situations, AD has been paid like top 5-10 back his whole career, CJ has not. IDK why some of you guys are blaming CJ for not carrying his team to the playoff. Phillip Rivers didn't and his team team just had crappy ST players, Matt Schuab didn't and he just has a bad defense. The titans defense was not that good and the titans passing offense sucked after Britt and Vince got injured in week 5 before that we were leading our division(If I remember right) .

Chris Johnson is so underrated on this board, I can't believe people think he is not on AD level now people think Jamal Charles is better than him.
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By NFL standards Chris Johnson is severely underpaid. However, he does not deserve anything more than to be the highest-paid RB. The position is just not valued that highly anymore.
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Because he's not playing for charity. Peterson already makes about 7 mil a year, and he's going to want to be paid like the top back he is.

Did you honestly start watching sports like five minutes ago? It's all about money.
Peterson is a high class character guy as well. Chris Johnson? Not so much. I understand Johnson's contract is the worst amongst starting RBs in the league or close to that, but his demands are at the rate of a Franchise QB.

9-10 Million a year and a deal will get done like that. However, he wants 13-14 million, which isn't worth it for a RB.
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And, also, it's not just Tennesee, it's every team in the leauge that won't pay that price for him, well maybe Oakland.
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Chris Johnson is definitely one of the top 3 RBs in the league, and maybe the best depending on your perspective.

But what it boils down to is that if successful organizations simply do not tie up alot of money in their RBs. It's fiscally irresponsible to pay Chris Johnson like one of the highest paid players in the league. RBs, even the best ones, are simply not that important to a team's success and they are the most fragile and short-lived players in the game. If the Titans had a good defense and a good QB, they could win a Super Bowl without Chris Johnson.
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Chris Johnson is definitely one of the top 3 RBs in the league, and maybe the best depending on your perspective.

But what it boils down to is that if successful organizations simply do not tie up alot of money in their RBs. It's fiscally irresponsible to pay Chris Johnson like one of the highest paid players in the league. RBs, even the best ones, are simply not that important to a team's success and they are the most fragile and short-lived players in the game. If the Titans had a good defense and a good QB, they could win a Super Bowl without Chris Johnson.
That statement has absolutely nothing to do with the situation at hand as at present they have no good QB and there defense isn't strong enough to make up for that. I mean if the Patriots had a better defense and stud young QB they could win a superbowl without Brady...you're talking about a vague hypothetical that has absolutely no basis in what the situation at hand is.

Moving forward CJ is a huge piece to that team, one of the very best backs in the NFL and simply put he is one of the biggest play makers in the league. That sort of ability to single-handedly put 6 points on the board on any given play is worth that much money to the Titans, especially if Hasselback breaks down and they need to turn to their QB OTF, Jake Locker. I'm a big Locker fan and he's also a huge part of that teams' future but I'm not sure he's a bigger part than CJ, even if he lives up to expectations, that's how important CJ is to them and that's why he's worth that extra 3 mil a year.
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Also, what the hell else is there to watch on the Titans other than Johnson? If I lived in Tennessee I probably wouldn't pay 100 bucks to see a Titans game either way, but I sure as hell wouldn't pay to see Matt Hasselbeck hand off to Javon Ringer.
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I'm surprised he got that much guaranteed, but good for him. Better him than Bud Adams, who is a piece of ****.
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Damn, over $13M/year. For a runningback.
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Chris Johnson got what he wanted.
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Not worth the money, but since he is only 26, he should be able to maintain a high level of play through it. After the 2014 season, he'll be expecting another big contract and will surely be disappointed when no one gives it to him.
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For those of you saying he's not worth the money (and I'm not saying you're wrong), which would you rather have:


Chris Johnson for 30 million

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Deangelo Williams for 21 million



I don't think it's even close.
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I would not have paid him or Fitz that much money. Now that's not reflective of their talent, but the position they play. I wouldn't tie that much money at the RB or WR position.
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I would not have paid him or Fitz that much money. Now that's not reflective of their talent, but the position they play. I wouldn't tie that much money at the RB or WR position.
Yes, quarterbacks and defensive ends and pass-rushing defensive ends are, all things being equal, more valuable.

But how many times do one of those three actually hit the free agent market at an elite level? Julius Peppers two years ago and Drew Brees like five years ago. Is there ANYONE else? The Cardinals gave up a ton for Kolb and got criticized for that too. These teams HAVE to spend money now. If you don't have a quarterback or pass-rusher to spend it on, I don't really see the problem with rewarding the guy who is your best player.
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For those of you saying he's not worth the money (and I'm not saying you're wrong), which would you rather have:


Chris Johnson for 30 million

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Deangelo Williams for 21 million



I don't think it's even close.
The answer is obviously Johnson, but I wouldn't give Jim Brown 30 mil guaranteed over 4 years. You know how I feel about paying running backs.

Soooooooo Bud Adams just screwed the Bears and the Vikings right in their manholes. Now they can't laugh off DeAngelo's contract as a crazy outlier during negotiations.
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Deangelo Williams for 21 million



I don't think it's even close.
It would depend largely on DWill's perceived health. Both were bad contracts IMO but if I owned a team and felt confident that both players would be healthy I would prefer Williams.
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Yes, quarterbacks and defensive ends and pass-rushing defensive ends are, all things being equal, more valuable.

But how many times do one of those three actually hit the free agent market at an elite level? Julius Peppers two years ago and Drew Brees like five years ago. Is there ANYONE else? The Cardinals gave up a ton for Kolb and got criticized for that too. These teams HAVE to spend money now. If you don't have a quarterback or pass-rusher to spend it on, I don't really see the problem with rewarding the guy who is your best player.
Well for our team, we pride ourselves on running the ball and attacking the QB. So OL is a huge thing, and then investing in the DL. Hence our love for drafting DEs.

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I'd rather spend on them if they deserve it than WR or RB. I can settle for a group of RBs like Jacobs, Bradshaw and Ward back in the 2007 and 2008 seasons. Not a famous group, but our OL made our running game very productive. I wouldn't want to invest that much money on a skill position, such as WR or RB.
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Chris Johnson for 30 million

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Deangelo Williams for 21 million
Jamaal Charles for 13 million.

Scott Pioli FTW!
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Jamaal Charles for 13 million.

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31 million guaranteed.
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I find this positional value argument absurd. People overlook certain positions way too much on this board sometimes. You can still win games in the NFL by running the football. Chris Johnson is one of the elite physical talents in the NFL whose skills have translated marvelously to the NFL. The last 3 years he has had touches on 33% of plays in 2010, 41% of plays in 2009, and 37% of plays in 2008. Despite having very little help from the passing game he's been sensational and consistently productive.

Not every team has a Tom Brady, Joe Thomas, or a Julius Peppers, yet they all have to spend close to the cap floor. Would it have made more sense for the Titans to shell out huge bucks to Cortland Finnegan, Jason Babin, Michael Roos, or Jake Locker because they play the big money positions? The Titans need to pay the players that will win them football games, and for the moment while everything else is settling into place that player is CJ.
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It would depend largely on DWill's perceived health. Both were bad contracts IMO but if I owned a team and felt confident that both players would be healthy I would prefer Williams.
You think Williams is better than Chris Johnson? Am I reading this right?
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