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Old 10-09-2011, 11:51 AM    (permalink
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It's a damn shame that Miller would never get a Heisman consideration, because we suck. He is arguably a Top 3 Heisman candidate right now.
In a discussion like this, you literally cannot take team success out of the equation. Not even hypothetically, which SWDC loves to use, can I make a case for Miller over even Tyrann Mathieu.
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if mathieu makes a statement in the bama game, he becomes my front runner. right now he'd take a trip to new york with luck, moore, and richardson, imo. rg3 is now on the outside looking in.
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It's a damn shame that Miller would never get a Heisman consideration, because we suck. He is arguably a Top 3 Heisman candidate right now.
lol, oh Miami fans.
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Some of these lists are confusing, at best.

1) Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin
2) Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
3) Robert Griffin, QB, Baylor
4) Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama

And, for right now anyway, that's pretty much it.
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forgot wilson in my list. i'd put him in the top 4 ahead of mathieu for now
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Moore threw 6 picks last year. He's already thrown 4 this year.
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if mathieu makes a statement in the bama game, he becomes my front runner. right now he'd take a trip to new york with luck, moore, and richardson, imo. rg3 is now on the outside looking in.
For Mathieu to win, no one can finish undefeated.
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Moore threw 6 picks last year. He's already thrown 4 this year.
I bet hes got more td's at this point as well.

Not to mention, with Moore...he could very well go the rest of the season throwing 2 picks or less.
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I bet hes got more td's at this point as well.

Not to mention, with Moore...he could very well go the rest of the season throwing 2 picks or less.
Er...no. He had 35 touchdowns this year, he has 17 so far. He would need 18 touchdowns and only 2 picks, as well as average about 12 yards per pass attempt, just to have as good of a season as he had last year, when he still had almost no shot at winning the Heisman.
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Er...no. He had 35 touchdowns this year, he has 17 so far. He would need 18 touchdowns and only 2 picks, as well as average about 12 yards per pass attempt, just to have as good of a season as he had last year, when he still had almost no shot at winning the Heisman.
It's going to be a better possibility if Moore has Boise State in legitimate contention (ranked #1 or #2) very late in the year.
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Did I miss a week? I think I did. I apologize.

Heisman Watch Post Week 7:
1. Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin
2. Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
3. Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
4. Robert Griffin, QB Baylor
5. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
6. Tyrann Mathieu, CB LSU
7. Tajh Boyd, QB Clemson
8. Darron Thomas, QB Oregon
9. Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma
10. Sammy Watkins, WR Clemson

Honorable Mention: Bernard Pierce, RB Temple
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So sad that ArmPunt isn't on the list anymore. He does so well against crappy teams.
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The real meat of Stanford's schedule is coming up and should really vault Luck up if he wins those games.
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2011 HEISMAN TROPHY - ODDS TO WIN
12051 AARON MURRAY +5000
12052 ANDREW LUCK +275
12053 BRANDON WEEDEN +1200
12054 CASE KEENUM +5000
12055 CHRIS POLK
12056 DARRON THOMAS
12057 DENARD ROBINSON +1500
12058 JUSTIN BLACKMON +5000
12059 KIRK COUSINS +17500
12060 LAMICHAEL JAMES
12061 LANDRY JONES +300
12062 MARCUS LATTIMORE
12063 MATT BARKLEY +6000
12064 MICHAEL FLOYD +12500
12065 ROBERT GRIFFIN III +5000
12066 RYAN BROYLES +10000
12067 TRENT RICHARDSON +500
12068 RUSSELL WILSON +500
12069 GENO SMITH +5000
12070 LAMAR MILLER +12500
12071 DAVID WILSON +12500
12072 T.Y. HILTON +12500
12073 KELLEN MOORE +1200
12074 TAJH BOYD +5000
12075 SAMMY WATKINS +5000


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The real meat of Stanford's schedule is coming up and should really vault Luck up if he wins those games.
Exactly. Honestly, I have all the confidence in the world that he'll do just that. But, up until this point there have been more impressive individuals as far as stats and 'plays' go. Luck is easily the best player in college football, though.
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I'd take the Luck and Wilson bets.
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Exactly. Honestly, I have all the confidence in the world that he'll do just that. But, up until this point there have been more impressive individuals as far as stats and 'plays' go. Luck is easily the best player in college football, though.
There shouldn't be considering Stanford hasn't even played a winning team yet.

RGIII should be #1 out of the candidates so far but won't be because of his team. RGIII has been better against higher competition so far out of the quarterbacks, imo.
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There shouldn't be considering Stanford hasn't even played a winning team yet.

RGIII should be #1 out of the candidates but won't be because of his team. RGIII has been better against higher competition so far, imo.
It's the nature of the beast. It's going to be very interesting where Griffin ends up on the ballots.
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It's the nature of the beast. It's going to be very interesting where Griffin ends up on the ballots.
Yeah, it's a shame too. Some players who may be deserving won't win because of their position, what a joke.

Not to say any of these guys don't deserve it. I don't doubt that Luck will prove he should be #1 of the Heisman contenders at the end of year.
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Heisman Watch Post Week 7:
1. Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin
2. Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
3. Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
4. Robert Griffin, QB Baylor
5. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
6. Tyrann Mathieu, CB LSU
7. Tajh Boyd, QB Clemson
8. Darron Thomas, QB Oregon
9. Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma
10. Sammy Watkins, WR Clemson

Honorable Mention: Bernard Pierce, RB Temple
Sammy Should be higher
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Denard Robinson, I assume?
Yes. I hate UM. He's a poor man's Percy Harvin that has no business playing QB full time.

I like your lists, however :)
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Sammy Should be higher
Over who? The top 6 is pretty solidified, and Landry Jones is doing enough to stick around although a case could be made that Broyles is more deserving.
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Tajh Boyd 5TDs with 5 different WRs and still undefeated. What are the odds we see both he and Watkins in New York in December?
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Tajh Boyd 5TDs with 5 different WRs and still undefeated. What are the odds we see both he and Watkins in New York in December?
I'd say unlikely.
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