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Old 09-06-2011, 02:27 PM    (permalink
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Teflon Jack waves his magic wand, hoping to catch lightning in a bottle again with a QB change right before the season starts.

I hate that organization so much. So directionless it's laughable.
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Sounds like the Jags didn't view him as worth the money they were paying him and did not see much of a gap between him and McCown.
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Doesn't Del Rio pretty much need to win to save his job? And he's going all in with Luke ****** McCown?? His funeral I suppose.
Del Rio doesn't make roster decisions, and no, the playoffs or bust ultimatum was taken away a long time ago.

And no, McCown didn't get any 1st team reps in the preseason but Garrard was just atrocious. They're probably sick of his BS every damn year.
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Teflon Jack waves his magic wand, hoping to catch lightning in a bottle again with a QB change right before the season starts.

I hate that organization so much. So directionless it's laughable.
Del Rio doesn't make roster decisions. Learn something before you speak.
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Sounds like the Jags didn't view him as worth the money they were paying him and did not see much of a gap between him and McCown.
It's 2007 all over again.

As crappy as their offensive line has been, they probably didn't expect him to make it through the season anyways: either due to injury or poor play. At that point, it doesn't make sense to pay his guaranteed $8 million pricetag.

Timing still makes no sense, though. They wasted McCown/Gabbert reps by giving them to Garrard AND they killed any trade value they could have gotten had they made it known he was available at the start of training camp.

Plus, they screw over any chance he had at going to another place and competing for a job.
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No. If they get the top pick, they will not take Luck. You don't take a QB in the top-15 one year and then take another QB the next. They could trade the pick, but there is no way they would draft Luck. A guy like Couples or Kirkpatrick would be much more likely.
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Well, I hope that this means 1-0 for the Titans.
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No. If they get the top pick, they will not take Luck. You don't take a QB in the top-15 one year and then take another QB the next. They could trade the pick, but there is no way they would draft Luck. A guy like Couples or Kirkpatrick would be much more likely.
Yeah, if they decide to stick with Gabbert as their QB. But maybe you just don't pass up a once-in-a-generation talent such as Luck?

Or maybe the Jags are going to try to ransom the pick off to the team that can give them the most draft picks in exchange for the ability to select Luck?
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No way he signs with the 49ers...We're pretty much set at QB with Alex Smith, Kapernick, and Tolzien.
No team that has the QB rotation of Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick, and Scott Tolzien should ever say they are pretty much set at QB.
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It's 2007 all over again.

As crappy as their offensive line has been, they probably didn't expect him to make it through the season anyways: either due to injury or poor play. At that point, it doesn't make sense to pay his guaranteed $8 million pricetag.

Timing still makes no sense, though. They wasted McCown/Gabbert reps by giving them to Garrard AND they killed any trade value they could have gotten had they made it known he was available at the start of training camp.

Plus, they screw over any chance he had at going to another place and competing for a job.
Yea I am surprised that they did not try to trade him. Although the ceiling for him would probably have been a 4th round pick.
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I wonder if they sprung this on him or if he knew it was coming. Do you think Garrard can hold a grudge as long as he holds the ball?

He always looks like he is running on the tip of his toes.

Well, the Jags will definitely suck now so they're one step closer to Luck and if they get him it would be better to put him in a big market. I couldn't imagine where that market might be.
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Yea, but what is so classless was they waited 5 days before the start of the regular season to make this move. This move could have been done once the lockout ended. Yes, I understand why the move was made. He wasn;t performing to the amount of his contract, in which he was getting paid almost million a year.

I think Seattle is the front runner for his services. Miami is a darkhorse, but those are the only 2 viable options in my opinion. If either aren't interested, he's probably going to have to settle being a back up somewhere. A team like Carolina would be a good place. Garrard is a standup guy when it comes to character. He could mentor Cam.
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Seeing as how I have Sidney Rice on my fantasy team, I'd like to see him go to Seattle. I know Garrard isn't amazing but he's better than Tarvaris and Whitehurst.
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It's 2007 all over again.

As crappy as their offensive line has been, they probably didn't expect him to make it through the season anyways: either due to injury or poor play. At that point, it doesn't make sense to pay his guaranteed $8 million pricetag.

Timing still makes no sense, though. They wasted McCown/Gabbert reps by giving them to Garrard AND they killed any trade value they could have gotten had they made it known he was available at the start of training camp.

Plus, they screw over any chance he had at going to another place and competing for a job.
There's no reason to believe they were planning it since July. They probably didn't expect him to be awful in preseason.
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In all fairness Gene Smith ha had to clean up Shaq Harris' mess in Jacksonville...bust galore.
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As others have said - it's bizarre that they'd give McCown no reps and then make this move with half a week left before game number 1.
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You were clearly wrong and I corrected you. I said absolutely nothing about Gene Smith's drafting.
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No. If they get the top pick, they will not take Luck. You don't take a QB in the top-15 one year and then take another QB the next. They could trade the pick, but there is no way they would draft Luck. A guy like Couples or Kirkpatrick would be much more likely.
Gene Smith said Roethlisberger was the top rated player for the Jags and should have been their pick in the 2004 draft, and they passed on him because they (meaning scapegoat Shack Harris) were committed to the development of Byron Leftwich.

Will Gene Smith make the same mistake twice? That's the interesting question. He'll spend the next five years trying to surround Gabbert with talent and wondering why it's blowing up in his face, not realizing he's no different than his predecessor (minus Smith's over-reliance on small school prospects).
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Dumb move by Jacksonville. This might the closest to tanking the season I've seen in recent memory. It really just doesn't make sense to release Garrard at this point in the season who has been sharing a lot of the first team reps with Gabbert and then start Luke McCown, who I think is probably a worse player anyways. Now you have a quarterback that hasn't practiced the much the entire summer which was already shortened by the lockout headed your offense week one. Even if you have a bad situation, never give up. I'm surprised Wayne Weaver "okayed" this decision. And for Del Rio trying to save his job, this is probably the stupidest thing you can do. If you aren't committed to the quarterback fine, but don't trade him with days away from the season opener. I'm sure that sends a great message to the locker room.
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Seems like Miami is a good bet to sign him....but boy Chan Gailey would work wonders with Garrard at the helm(They got the white David Garrard already in Fitzpatrick however though)

Sparano is just desperate for anyone with past success which Garrard has. Sparano doesn't do well this season with Miami, he gone.
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Yea, but what is so classless was they waited 5 days before the start of the regular season to make this move. This move could have been done once the lockout ended. Yes, I understand why the move was made. He wasn;t performing to the amount of his contract, in which he was getting paid almost million a year.

I think Seattle is the front runner for his services. Miami is a darkhorse, but those are the only 2 viable options in my opinion. If either aren't interested, he's probably going to have to settle being a back up somewhere. A team like Carolina would be a good place. Garrard is a standup guy when it comes to character. He could mentor Cam.
Except he was coming off a good year. They probably didn't expect him to fall flat on his face in the preseason. David's play is the reason for this.
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Del Rio doesn't make roster decisions, and no, the playoffs or bust ultimatum was taken away a long time ago.

And no, McCown didn't get any 1st team reps in the preseason but Garrard was just atrocious. They're probably sick of his BS every damn year.
If the GM isn't even asking or discussing the head coach about any personnel changes, especially when it comes to a QB change 5 days heading into week 1, then there are some serious problems in Jacksonville that need to be addressed and questioned by fans.

The coach has to have a say in the matter, even if overruled.
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