Hypothetical: Colts Have #1 Overall Pick...

[Flyboy]

With everything that Arizona gave to give up Kolb, I just couldn't forsee them taking Luck even with the #1 overall pick.

[BeerBaron]

Can we remove the "Hypothetical" from this thread title yet?

[PossibleCabbage]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

With everything that Arizona gave to give up Kolb, I just couldn't forsee them taking Luck even with the #1 overall pick.

If they like Kolb more than Luck, the sensible play here is still "draft Luck, and trade his rights to the QB-needy team picking in the top 5 who selects a player you like for the rights to that player and additional players/picks."

I mean, they could select Matt Kalil at #1, or they could select Andrew Luck and then trade him for Matt Kalil+additional picks.

[singe_101]

I don't think the Colts will have the no. 1 pick, which would involve 12+ losses. It might not be a Cassel situation but with Collins they could win 6, 7.

But if it does happen, take him. Maybe cash him into the Skins for Orakpo and three first-rounders, heh.

Originally Posted by keylime_5

Indy would be the luckiest ass team ever if they draft Peyton Manning #1 overall the year after they have total suckiness and then draft Andrew Luck #1 overall when Peyton is 36 and coming off neck surgery to be his heir apparent.

Are we limiting this to the NFL? They can't even play at the same time like Duncan and Robinson.

[descendency]

Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Can we remove the "Hypothetical" from this thread title yet?

Matt Millen tells Bill Pollian that he is especially found of passion fruit in his fruit baskets. . . (you know... the one Pollian will send him thanking him for saving him from being the first GM to go 0-16)

[BeerBaron]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...o-andrew-luck/

We're not supposed to read into it too much, but Polian was personally scouting the Stanford/Duke game this weekend. And I have some doubts that he was there for any Duke players...

That article also mentions something very interesting should the Colts pass on Luck (or, if not picking #1, another top QB like Barkley or Jones if available.)

Pro Football Hall of Famer Terry Bradshaw said Sunday on FOX that Manning’s situation reminds him of his own situation late in his career with the Steelers. After Bradshaw had offseason elbow surgery in 1983, he told the Steelers that he’d be ready to go even though, he now says, “I knew I could not play.” Bradshaw’s elbow injury was so severe that he was able to play in just one more NFL game before it forced him to retire, but the Steelers believed Bradshaw when he said he was healthy and decided to pass on Dan Marino in the 1983 NFL draft.

[ChiefMojo]

How horrible the Chiefs look right now they are going to be a player in this Andrew Luck sweep stakes as well. Not only have the last two games of last season been atrocious, but the whole pre-season and first game were a abortion.

It is all on Matt Cassel's shoulders. If he can't perform, he will get replaced... for sure if the Chiefs can't win a game.

No Eric Berry or Tony Moeaki for the rest of the year! I doubt Haley has a job after the season also.

The Chiefs easiest part of their schedule is to start the season, but frankly they don't look ready to play. One mid-season hits, they go on a death march of a schedule.

I was thinking the Chiefs were a 8-8 team, but now they are likely a 2-3 win team at best until proven otherwise.

[nobodyinparticular]

Peyton Manning is going to be 36 years old before the NFL draft. Even without any injury to the franchise QB, the Colts would be stupid to pass up on Andrew Luck. There just aren't very many players who play well into their late 30s, even at the QB position. Since 1970, there have been a total of 18 QB seasons with a QB rating over 90 and 11 of those came at age 36 and 37. Manning realistically only had this year and maybe next that we could expect at an elite level and maybe a total of 3 seasons as a good/great QB. With the career uncertainty added by the neck injury, a no-brainer becomes a non-starter.

Colts take Andrew Luck in the first round if he's available. Period.

[keylime_5]

Originally Posted by ChiefMojo

How horrible the Chiefs look right now they are going to be a player in this Andrew Luck sweep stakes as well. Not only have the last two games of last season been atrocious, but the whole pre-season and first game were a abortion.

It is all on Matt Cassel's shoulders. If he can't perform, he will get replaced... for sure if the Chiefs can't win a game.

No Eric Berry or Tony Moeaki for the rest of the year! I doubt Haley has a job after the season also.

The Chiefs easiest part of their schedule is to start the season, but frankly they don't look ready to play. One mid-season hits, they go on a death march of a schedule.

I was thinking the Chiefs were a 8-8 team, but now they are likely a 2-3 win team at best until proven otherwise.

c'mon, they're not gonna fire a guy who just won the division the year before, especially if he has a bad season that is affected by a mess of injuries to key players like this one has been so far. Haley should be safe this year. The real pressure is on Cassel to prove to the front office that they don't need to take a good young QB prospect if one is available.

[cmarq83]

Originally Posted by ChiefMojo

How horrible the Chiefs look right now they are going to be a player in this Andrew Luck sweep stakes as well. Not only have the last two games of last season been atrocious, but the whole pre-season and first game were a abortion.

It is all on Matt Cassel's shoulders. If he can't perform, he will get replaced... for sure if the Chiefs can't win a game.

No Eric Berry or Tony Moeaki for the rest of the year! I doubt Haley has a job after the season also.

The Chiefs easiest part of their schedule is to start the season, but frankly they don't look ready to play. One mid-season hits, they go on a death march of a schedule.

I was thinking the Chiefs were a 8-8 team, but now they are likely a 2-3 win team at best until proven otherwise.

So after a 10 win season, and a single ugly opening day loss the Chiefs are a 2-3 win team until proven otherwise? Keep in mind that they do play the Broncos twice.

[Seamus2602]

Originally Posted by BeerBaron

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...o-andrew-luck/

We're not supposed to read into it too much, but Polian was personally scouting the Stanford/Duke game this weekend. And I have some doubts that he was there for any Duke players...

That article also mentions something very interesting should the Colts pass on Luck (or, if not picking #1, another top QB like Barkley or Jones if available.)

It mightn't have anything to do with scouting. Brian Polian is the Special Teams Co-Ordinator at Stanford.

[Byrd430]

Here's my thing...

If Manning isn't healthy, declining, or anything short of the true Peyton Manning, then the Colts need many many pieces to be contenders again.

If Luck is the next Manning, (didn't people say the same about Bradford last year?), then the Colts don't need that many pieces to contend.

Talk about LUCKy if the Colts could pull this off.

[niel89]

Originally Posted by Seamus2602

It mightn't have anything to do with scouting. Brian Polian is the Special Teams Co-Ordinator at Stanford.

I wonder if coaching special teams is his way of rebelling against his dad.

[killxswitch]

Originally Posted by Seamus2602

It mightn't have anything to do with scouting. Brian Polian is the Special Teams Co-Ordinator at Stanford.

Bill Polian said himself he is scouting QBs, on his radio show. He was not just there to see his son.

[LonghornsLegend]

If Peyton does never play another snap again, at least it'll be remembered even more so how remarkable he made a piss poor team look. I'm not gonna act like he hasn't had some talented teams, and especially defenses, but even with a competent back-up QB this team was going nowhere.


Really magnifies the difference in a well run organization like NE, who can lose Brady for the season, plug in an average QB and still win 11 games. There are so many positions that need filled on this team right now, and even when they start to be competitive Freeney and Mathis will need to be replaced.


I could see them cleaning house depending on the recovery of Peyton.

[Iamcanadian]

Whoever gets the #1 pick will simply trade their starter and go with Luck. With the rookie salary cap, Indy can carry both Peyton and Luck and won't trade either.
No bottom team outside of Indy would retain the current QB. They will trade him for more picks. the Kolb's, Cassel's and others would all be traded.

[bam bam]

If I were the Colts, on top of drafting Luck I would start trading their valuable but aging stars for extra draft picks as well. Its time to reload. And if they aren't drafting #1, trade those players to help get up to #1 so you can still keep some draft picks.

This is if Manning is really near the end, of course. If not, they might as well hold on to what they got and try and run with it while hes around.

[CC.SD]

This is a no brainer that they would draft him. Not a big discussion point in this thread, but who would the alternative even be? Blackmon? Trent Richardson/Kalil/one of the DEs? There's just no chance any of these guys get drafted before Luck.

[OSUGiants17]

IMO too much money in Peyton, they would either trade down and hope for Kalil or Martin or stay put and take Kalil #1.

[Cardinal96]

Originally Posted by OSUGiants17

IMO too much money in Peyton, they would either trade down and hope for Kalil or Martin or stay put and take Kalil #1.

Barring an unforeseen injury or catastrophic event around Andrew Luck, there is no chance that any team drafts anyone other than Andrew Luck if they have the first pick of the draft. If a team is in need of a QB or basically doesn't already have a franchise QB, they will draft Luck for the future of their franchise. If they do have a franchise QB (ie Aaron Rodgers), they will likely look to trade this pick for a platoon of picks. And if they don't get a trade done by the time they draft, they will STILL draft Andrew Luck first overall. He is worth so much more than any other draft pick it is not even comparable. Then possibly they could look to trade him. With the rookie cap, he will be a bargain too.

[killxswitch]

Originally Posted by OSUGiants17

IMO too much money in Peyton, they would either trade down and hope for Kalil or Martin or stay put and take Kalil #1.

Luck's $7 million/year is not going to keep the Colts from drafting him. Not with Manning coming off 3 neck surgeries.

[vidae]

Originally Posted by killxswitch

Luck's $7 million/year is not going to keep the Colts from drafting him. Not with Manning coming off 3 neck surgeries.

You guys will beat the Chiefs next week, so!

[Rabscuttle]

Chiefs-Colts- suxk for Luck - Battle of the practice rosters. Can you imagine paying to sit in the stands for that ****?

[SickwithIt1010]

The colts would be stupid not to take Luck...

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

The worst thing about the Colts sucking ass is that flex scheduling hasn't started yet.

And yes, they should. It really isn't a lot of money. Luck's not getting a $50M check.