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Old 01-06-2012, 05:23 PM    (permalink
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I think he was regarded as a 1st rounder by a lot of draftniks but not mid first when he first declared.
Got it. I can see someone like Osweiler moving up into the 2nd or 3rd round this year based on the other QB competition.
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The lack of QBs + his tools is going to move him into the 1st IMO. He'll have a good pro day, he'll look good throwing routes that he has practiced for a while to his receivers without any pressure. He'll test fine at the combine and will measure well. I don't really know his personality but I haven't heard of any huge red flags so he'll seem like a solid young guy to coaches. I think he'll be the 4th QB off the board and I think he'll land in Seattle, a place where he can develop behind a stopgap guy in Tavaris Jackson.
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I really don't see all that separates him and Tannehill as prospects, besides exposure time. Similar playing time, similar upside, similar flaws. There's some things I even prefer about Osweiler, even.
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I really don't see all that separates him and Tannehill as prospects, besides exposure time. Similar playing time, similar upside, similar flaws. There's some things I even prefer about Osweiler, even.
While Tannehill is inconsistent going through his progressions, you'll at least see him attempt to go though them and try to find a secondary or third target.

With Osweiler, it's one quick read and check down to the flat. Still incredibly raw at going through the most basic of reads. It has to be really defined and open for him to pull the trigger.
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He's big, athletic and has a arm but he isn't the greatest qb and played in a entirely qb friendly system

I'd go maybe 4th round at the earliest
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I don't think NFL teams really care that much. We saw that with Gabbert and with Newton to an extent last year. Both had great QB tools but neither really played in a complex system in college, and in fact both played in very friendly QB offenses I thought. Neither had to go through progressions in college very much, and neither looked like a very polished passer in college. But that obviously didn't mean that teams weren't willing to take a chance on them, and I think it is going to be the same case with Osweiler and even Tannehil.
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While Tannehill is inconsistent going through his progressions, you'll at least see him attempt to go though them and try to find a secondary or third target.

With Osweiler, it's one quick read and check down to the flat. Still incredibly raw at going through the most basic of reads. It has to be really defined and open for him to pull the trigger.
He does throw a lot of those little swing passes and things to the flat. But again; not really seeing a whole lot of separation between those two in terms of what they've proven and the selling points are similar.


We'll have to see. I would put him as the clear cut 4th QB in the class after Luck, Griffin, and Tannehill. Tons more potential than a Cousins or Foles.
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While Tannehill is inconsistent going through his progressions, you'll at least see him attempt to go though them and try to find a secondary or third target.

With Osweiler, it's one quick read and check down to the flat. Still incredibly raw at going through the most basic of reads. It has to be really defined and open for him to pull the trigger.
Yup, I wanted to say this. Osweiler locks onto his target almost Gabbert like.
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I am not a fan of Osweiler's and think this is a huge mistake on his part. For as much hype as he gets for his arm, I havent been that impressed. He's not as bad as Gabbert but he gets happy feet and creates pressure on himself that isn't really there. Plays in a very QB friendly system full of screens and underneath routes. I cant see him going sooner than the 4th unless some team is out of their minds.
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At least he was smart enough to realize that Todd Graham would try to get him to be a running back.

Great move, Osweiler. Screw Graham.
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If Tannehil is a first rounder, so is Osweiler. As stated...someone will take a chance.
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If he signs with Tom Condon, he'll get first round buzz by tomorrow.

We may have found this year's Gabbert. Love this kid's tools, but he's going to get seriously overdrafted.
Sigghhhh....I knew you were going to point this out and the Gabbert comparisons would come up.

I WANT to like Osweiler, but not in the first two rounds.
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Sigghhhh....I knew you were going to point this out and the Gabbert comparisons would come up.

I WANT to like Osweiler, but not in the first two rounds.

Might as well just move to hating him, because someone will take him in the first.
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Might as well just move to hating him, because someone will take him in the first.
At least I've seen him make the occasional good throw. It'll be hard to be as bad as Gabbert.
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I think Osweiler sucks. JMO.
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I don't think it's smart to draft Osweiler in the first...nor do I think it's likely that an NFL team actually goes through with it. He might have that kind of talent, but he just hasn't proven enough yet. I'm going to give him a pass on some of the elements of rawness in his game considering this was his first year starting(he's even less experienced than Tannehill, who people routinely give breaks to in) and a lot of the stuff that's wrong with him projects to get better with more seasoning. You still can't assume he can make that sort of leap forward.... but he had the ability to. That's more than you can say for the next batch of guys.
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I don't think it's smart to draft Osweiler in the first...nor do I think it's likely that an NFL team actually goes through with it. He might have that kind of talent, but he just hasn't proven enough yet. I'm going to give him a pass on some of the elements of rawness in his game considering this was his first year starting(he's even less experienced than Tannehill, who people routinely give breaks to in) and a lot of the stuff that's wrong with him projects to get better with more seasoning. You still can't assume he can make that sort of leap forward.... but he had the ability to. That's more than you can say for the next batch of guys.
Pfft...didn't stop the drafting of Locker, Tebow, Gabbert, and Ponder in the first. Probably gonna be a 49er.
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And Kaepernick is going to....be a WR?
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Pfft...didn't stop the drafting of Locker, Tebow, Gabbert, and Ponder in the first. Probably gonna be a 49er.
Locker looked good this year in the time I saw him, I think he will be a best QB of the 4 you named...

I have Osweiler going in the 2nd round in my latest mock that I'm going to post soon, and it should be intersting to see where some rank him in the coming weeks.
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I'd take Osweiler in the first if I'm a team like the Seahawk. I mean, the guy seems like a complete douche, but he's got a lot of things going for him as a starting QB. Size, arm, athleticism... Staring down receivers really isn't a knock going into the NFL, but it's a plus to not do it.

Better than Tannehill by a lot. Compared to last year's class, I'd have him below Stanzi (my #6 2011 QB), but ahead of Ponder, Dalton, and Yates.
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I hate Osweiler! He literally is just horrible. If i was a GM i wouldnt touch him untill the 5th round as a development prospect but ovbiously he is going to go higher i just feel sorry for the team that gets him.

Hes unaccuarte, locks onto receivers, has poor pocket presence, gets fazed by the rush makes no reads or progressions and has only played for one year.

F*** it! I wouldnt even take him in the 7th round.
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Tannehill and Osweiler basically have the same amount of college starting experience.

Who has more upside?
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I'd say Tannehill is the bigger project but has slightly more upside. He's got the bigger arm and better speed outside the pocket. But....I actually think Osweiler has better mobility inside the pocket, with good pocket awareness, and is more elusive, even at 6'8, than Tannehill, which is really impressive.
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