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Old 11-09-2011, 06:24 PM    (permalink
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I think if you're ever going to talk about a "best season ever," you've got to be talking about how far a player is separating himself from his peers. That's what you've got to look at with Rodgers. He's obviously at the top of the pile, and he's putting up epic numbers, but the game is changing and other QBs are doing similar things. For example, Dan Marino's 1984 season. That year Neil Lomax was closest to Marino's 5084 yards with 4614. No one else was within a thousand yards. Marino's 48 TDs were half again as much as Dave Kreig's 32. When you're looking at Rodgers, he's the name on top of a bunch of leader boards, but it's not like he's doing things other QBs simply aren't able to do. These questions are being asked purely because passing stats have been so inflated. So... the answer to the OP's question is a flat "No."
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DON'T FORGET BRADY. "Aaron Rodgers has been outstanding this year. Absolutely terrific. But I'm tired of hearing how he's playing better right now than any QB in NFL history. Please go back and look at the numbers for Tom Brady in his first 8 games of 2007. They're better.

Yards: Rodgers: 2,619; Brady, 2,431

Touchdowns: Brady, 30; Rodgers, 24

Interceptions: Brady, 2; Rodgers, 3;

Completion percentage: Brady, 75.2; Rodgers, 72.5

OB rating: Brady, 131.1; Rodgers, 129.7

Yards per completion: Brady, 11.51; Rodgers, 9.88

I suspect Rodgers will fall off some, like Brady did in 2007, cause of winter/bad weather; teams catching up with offensive schemes a bit; injuries, etc. Wasn't Brady playing better through 8 games than Rodgers is?''
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Are you trying to suggest we need to take in more then just one season when making GOAT suggestions? Cause if not, Alex Smith.
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Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL, hands down. It's not even close at this point.

He will go down as the greatest QB in NFL history eventually. Only a serious injury can stop him.
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Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL, hands down. It's not even close at this point.

He will go down as the greatest QB in NFL history eventually. Only a serious injury can stop him.
Given what I just posted a little bit ago, it might surprise that I actually am somewhat inclined to agree with this. Green Bay is loaded with young talent coming off an impressive Super Bowl run, and it looks like management has the ability to keep that going. Aaron Rodgers might have another decade of good football in him, and the fact that a big part of his game is improvisation combined with the talent he has, is going to result in huge numbers and a lot of credit for his team's winning. I don't think he's won his last Super Bowl. But just as far as "is this the best individual season of all time?" I'm inclined to say "no."
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So it is safe to say Rodgers is playing better now than Favre ever did?
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FALSE.
As I just showed, there are only 3 QB's currently with passer ratings of 100 so far, and it tends to drop more the 2nd half of the season.

The yards are up all over the place because they throw more, but performances overall are not up everywhere at QB.
Actually it's true. If you got back to 2000 for example, you have only seven passers over a rating of 90, while this season thus far you have 11. You had 15 passers over a rating of 80, compared to 20 now. 23 last season. It's up and the rules have also benefited the passers. Don't just use 100 as a bench mark. If we go back further to the mid 90's it's worse.
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So it is safe to say Rodgers is playing better now than Favre ever did?
Yes. I wouldn't say it's be a long shot though. He never has those 4 interception games. That being said, Favre played the game in an amazing way himself. Favre in the mid 90's was a totally different player than he was in the 2000's.
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Yes. I wouldn't say it's be a long shot though. He never has those 4 interception games. That being said, Favre played the game in an amazing way himself. Favre in the mid 90's was a totally different player than he was in the 2000's.
The game after Favres dad died and that MNF OT game v. Minnesota (freeman catch) are what i try to remember. Not the pick in OT in the NFCCG.
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With all the talk about stats I think the thing people some people are neglecting to mention is just watching him play. He has so much confidence and poise and he's doing literally everything right. Not saying he will have the best season ever or is perfect, but just watching him play there is nothing not to like about what you see.
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but just watching him play there is nothing not to like about what you see.
I would like to see a little more mustache from aaron. I know he has the potential . . just hasnt grown into it this year.
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If the question had stated the 'Will Rodgers have the best season stat wise of NFL QB's?', I might have answered yes, but he will have to go 19-0 to pass Brady as the best season QB of all time.
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With all the talk about stats I think the thing people some people are neglecting to mention is just watching him play. He has so much confidence and poise and he's doing literally everything right. Not saying he will have the best season ever or is perfect, but just watching him play there is nothing not to like about what you see.
Exactly. The stats are phenomenal, but they aren't any more phenomenal than his actual play. Rodgers is making unbelievable throws on a regular basis. With the receiving corps being as talented as it is and everyone on the same page, he has the confidence to attempt virtually any throw. For example, the timing and precision of some of the team's back-shoulder pass plays is perfect (Jordy Nelson's TD last week).

If Rodgers can play as well (or close to it) in the second half of the regular season as he did in the first, and then go on a Superbowl run similar to last year's, I think it has to be the best season for a QB of all time. That's unlikely, but certainly possible.
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Under the current NFL rules which favour the offense immensely and try to protect the QB's from injury, it was only a matter of time before a great QB stepped forward and ripped the league apart. You notice I called Rodgers great so I'm acknowledging his talent, but face it, the NFL today isn't on the same playing field the other decade QB's had to play on, so to call it the greatest season ever is ridiculous IMO.
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Agree that Rodgers' play is more impressive than his stats.
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Under the current NFL rules which favour the offense immensely and try to protect the QB's from injury, it was only a matter of time before a great QB stepped forward and ripped the league apart. You notice I called Rodgers great so I'm acknowledging his talent, but face it, the NFL today isn't on the same playing field the other decade QB's had to play on, so to call it the greatest season ever is ridiculous IMO.
I hate this argument. It doesn't make sense to diminish Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc. because they aren't playing in the old days. If Bart Starr, Joe Namath, Roger Staubach, played today they would probably suck. If the game was different, Rodgers would probably suck. If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Point is in the last 8 years these guys have done things that have never been done before and that makes them the best passers there has ever been. I'd almost rather just not compare them to the old guys, and say they were the best at that position, and the current guys are the best at this position.
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I hate this argument. It doesn't make sense to diminish Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc. because they aren't playing in the old days. If Bart Starr, Joe Namath, Roger Staubach, played today they would probably suck. If the game was different, Rodgers would probably suck. If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Point is in the last 8 years these guys have done things that have never been done before and that makes them the best passers there has ever been. I'd almost rather just not compare them to the old guys, and say they were the best at that position, and the current guys are the best at this position.
Completely agree. We will never know how Aaron Rodgers would do 30 years ago so what's the point to trying to guess? All im saying is that Aaron Rodgers has the ability to make all the throws, hes deadly accurate, has great presence in the pocket and everything else you look for in a QB. Hes the nearest thing to the perfect quarterback I have ever seen! Can anybody find a weakness in his game?

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I would like to see a little more mustache from aaron. I know he has the potential . . just hasnt grown into it this year.
During the SD game(3rd q i think), the pocket collapsed and AR threw off his backfoot to Jennings. I thought for sure he was going to take the sack but at the last second out comes an absolute laser nearly perfectly thrown. I cant recall another qb making a more impressive throw. AR doesn't have "it", he is "it".

If Rodgers keeps playing like this 19-0 is possible. I cant help but think AR is going to have an off day. If GB goes 16-0 and doesnt win the super bowl its not the greatest season by a qb of all time. If they win the SB,undefeated or not, I think it is.

Statistically speaking AR is in uncharted territory. Most efficient 8 games Ive ever seen. Almost fell spoiled as a packer fan after the latter part of Favres career.
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Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL, hands down. It's not even close at this point.

He will go down as the greatest QB in NFL history eventually. Only a serious injury can stop him.
I will just I disagree with that 2nd point. Will leave it at that because based on your previous debates...you have no rationale and it'd be a waste of my time.
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My rule is that you can never honestly compare players between different eras. Too many variables and no one has honestly seen all these player play to give a real comparison.

Rodger's is playing amazing right now. He has an outstanding cast around him and he is really taking advantage of it. We'll see how he compares to Manning and Bradys great season at the end of the year, but he should be right with them no doubt.
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The only thing that really sucks for Aaron Rodgers is that he plays for the ungreatful packer fans.

Do any of you guys remember how the media, fans, etc. started bashing him without him even have taken a meaningful snap? (even his own teammates took shots at him through the media)

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ungrateful fans? That was a vocal minority of idiots that EVERY fan base has

I don't remember his team mates taking shots at him at all, either. Seemed to remember a lot of them coming to his aid or saying he's the guy and he has their support
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ungrateful fans? That was a vocal minority of idiots that EVERY fan base has

I don't remember his team mates taking shots at him at all, either. Seemed to remember a lot of them coming to his aid or saying he's the guy and he has their support
I'm pretty sure if it was just a minority he would not have said a word, regardless if they're vocal or not.

This was a large portion of your fan base. Don't deny it. Everyone was stuck on favre mania

EDIT: if anyone wants a good laugh, read the comments under the article: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...?urn=nfl-91572

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Yea I remember a lot of ppl talking bad about Rodgers before he took over full time.
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