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Old 02-13-2012, 04:23 PM    (permalink
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If he's letting it out, he wouldn't be doing so because it was actually true and had somehow magically improved, rather simply to create low expectations based on false numbers that can easily be beaten.
Well if he isn't at that weight and is consistently running a few tenths of a second faster then it would make sense to deny these rumours before the combine. People may expect the worst anyway now but at least he can say its all false rumours and he's actually in good shape. I see no way this actually helps him.
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I am doing some digging on these rumors.

Either way, not sure why anyone would be surprised if Jeffery is out of shape and / or slow.

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I am doing some digging on these rumors.

Either way, not sure why anyone would be surprised if Jeffery is out of shape and / or slow.

And I counter your picture with a video, sir.



If Jon Baldwin can go in the first, there is not a single god damned reason Jeffery can't (Assuming he doesn't actually run a 4.88...That's just ridiculous).
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Possible Combine numbers:

Best case - 225 lbs., 4.55

Worst case - 250 lbs., 4.75

Realistic - 240 lbs., 4.65
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249 is believable. 4.88 is not, at least to me. 4.65 is the projection I'm putting on him and I HATE Jeffery.
Technique can fix 40 times by quite a few tenths. I really don't know if the numbers are legit or not, but it isn't outside of the realm of possibility that a guy that can run 4.6 runs 4.9 because of really bad technique.

edit: It looks like those numbers may be Draft Bible'd. If they are, I hope Jeffery and his agent sue the people into the ground.

edit2: Apparently, the numbers are 3 weeks old. (or at least he claims) Seems more likely to be fake now.
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Pshhh. Even if he's big and slow he'd still be Jared Cook.
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And with the 22nd pick in the NFL draft The Cleveland Browns select WR Alshon Jeffery South Carolina :)
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Pshhh. Even if he's big and slow he'd still be Jared Cook.
Jared Cook ran in the low 4.5s.
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This guy's weight issues are serious. If he can't get in shape when he's playing at the collegiate level, I'd have some serious reservations about giving him millions of dollars and a lot of free time and hoping he doesn't decide to drive over to McDonald's.
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I think the broke college kid is more apt to go to Mickey D's than the millionaire who can actually afford quality food and has access to nutritionists through the team.
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I think the broke college kid is more apt to go to Mickey D's than the millionaire who can actually afford quality food and has access to nutritionists through the team.
Get out of here with your common sense sir, it's not welcome in the Draft section. We only deal in bias and homerism around these parts.

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I think someone will take him in the 1st round still. His 2010 was unbelievable, you can't be a good team in need of a WR and not at least take a look at what he did that season... I'd still take him over Floyd who I wouldn't trust at all. It's a risk, but all draft decisions are risks.
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Call me crazy, but I think he's going sub 4.6. I'm thinking 4.57 at about 240 lbs.

You're crazy. He looks like a mid 4.6 guy even on tape.

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His nutritional concepts are probably completely out of whack, regardless if he eats gourmet meals or McDonalds. I'm sure he's got a nutritional staff telling him the right way to eat in college, it's a matter of whether or not he listens to them.
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Even without the weight issue I'm not convinced Jeffrey is really fast or explosive enough to be considered a first round WR by NFL teams. He's at the bottom of the first if at all, and teams picking towards the bottom of the first tend to be good at personnel evaluation.

I mean, even if he lost a lot of weight, he's probably still in the mid 4.6 range and he's not especially fast out of the gate (his last 20 is likely going to be much faster than his first 20).

But we'll see what he actually runs when he gets around to it, but I don't think he's really going to get much separation against NFL DBs.
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Even without the weight issue I'm not convinced Jeffrey is really fast or explosive enough to be considered a first round WR by NFL teams. He's at the bottom of the first if at all, and teams picking towards the bottom of the first tend to be good at personnel evaluation.

I mean, even if he lost a lot of weight, he's probably still in the mid 4.6 range and he's not especially fast out of the gate (his last 20 is likely going to be much faster than his first 20).

But we'll see what he actually runs when he gets around to it, but I don't think he's really going to get much separation against NFL DBs.

I really doubt his ability to separate too. I just don't see it. I wish with his size he could get off the press better.

However, there's a lot to like. He's a plus plus guy in jump ball situations. Has some build up speed, long arms, and a very impressive catching radius.


As of right now, I have him with a late first-early 2nd grade.


What I'm debating with at this point in the process: Why am I taking Alshon over Stephen Hill? Hill has many of the same plus skills: locating the ball wall, controls body well, etc. Only thing is, Hill has an element of explosiveness I haven't really seen from Alshon. He's obviously more raw/drop prone, but he's got a big time upside.

As of right now, I've got Alshon a little higher, but it's close.
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Even without the weight issue I'm not convinced Jeffrey is really fast or explosive enough to be considered a first round WR by NFL teams. He's at the bottom of the first if at all, and teams picking towards the bottom of the first tend to be good at personnel evaluation.

I mean, even if he lost a lot of weight, he's probably still in the mid 4.6 range and he's not especially fast out of the gate (his last 20 is likely going to be much faster than his first 20).

But we'll see what he actually runs when he gets around to it, but I don't think he's really going to get much separation against NFL DBs.
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Chad Ochocinco went to Mickey Ds everyday in Cincinnati. Money doesn't make you smart.

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I really doubt his ability to separate too. I just don't see it. I wish with his size he could get off the press better.

However, there's a lot to like. He's a plus plus guy in jump ball situations. Has some build up speed, long arms, and a very impressive catching radius.

As of right now, I have him with a late first-early 2nd grade.

What I'm debating with at this point in the process: Why am I taking Alshon over Stephen Hill? Hill has many of the same plus skills: locating the ball wall, controls body well, etc. Only thing is, Hill has an element of explosiveness I haven't really seen from Alshon. He's obviously more raw/drop prone, but he's got a big time upside.

As of right now, I've got Alshon a little higher, but it's close.
I agree with this. I've actually moved Hill above Jeffery on my board. The most concerning thing I saw from Jeffery this year was having little Casey Hayward get physical with him in the Vandy game and he really struggled with him. Looks a bit like Michael Floyd a year ago - needs to do what Floyd did and lose some weight to bring some explosion to his game.
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His nutritional concepts are probably completely out of whack, regardless if he eats gourmet meals or McDonalds. I'm sure he's got a nutritional staff telling him the right way to eat in college, it's a matter of whether or not he listens to them.
I'm not going to speculate on his diet because there is no actual information to speculate on. All I was saying is that a guy has a better chance at being 'healthy' in the NFL with better resources and bigger incentive$ than he does being a poor college student living.

If a guy's unmotivated and lacks self-discipline to improve himself, he's going to fail regardless.
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I'm not going to speculate on his diet because there is no actual information to speculate on. All I was saying is that a guy has a better chance at being 'healthy' in the NFL with better resources and bigger incentive$ than he does being a poor college student living.

If a guy's unmotivated and lacks self-discipline to improve himself, he's going to fail regardless.
The bottom part is the important bit here.

He plays for a top flight division 1 program in the SEC. I refuse to believe they don't give their student athletes proper nutritional advice. And hell, even if they don't the amount of internet resources about these days is amazing.

Alshon Jeffrey is in the middle of the biggest job interview he will ever have. The onus is on him to get in the best shape possible. If he can't do it now how can anyone expect him to do it when he gets paid?

And I don't really buy the whole thing about him being a poor student who can't afford to buy healthy food
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Obviously the trainer has an agenda to some extent but still...

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Old 02-14-2012, 12:14 PM    (permalink
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Hey guys, my name is Alex- I got a chance to meet Shane and Scott at the Senior Bowl and I really enjoy the site. Lots of posters on this forum could have jobs doing this stuff, really good analysis here. I wrote article referenced above on Alshon, and let me tell you guys- what doesn't come across is the level of confidence his agent and his trainer have in his abilities to put all this behind him at the combine and at his pro day in the 3rd week of March.

I simply called my contact and said "Why is everyone saying he's so fat?!"
They just laughed and said- "Let's get you on the phone w/ his trainer if you want to hear about what kind of shape he's in."

Reading b/w the lines, I think he runs 4.6 maybe just a tad lower. We'll all be in Indy next week to see for ourselves, but that is my gut feeling.
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Hey guys, my name is Alex- I got a chance to meet Shane and Scott at the Senior Bowl and I really enjoy the site. Lots of posters on this forum could have jobs doing this stuff, really good analysis here. I wrote article referenced above on Alshon, and let me tell you guys- what doesn't come across is the level of confidence his agent and his trainer have in his abilities to put all this behind him at the combine and at his pro day in the 3rd week of March.

I simply called my contact and said "Why is everyone saying he's so fat?!"
They just laughed and said- "Let's get you on the phone w/ his trainer if you want to hear about what kind of shape he's in."

Reading b/w the lines, I think he runs 4.6 maybe just a tad lower. We'll all be in Indy next week to see for ourselves, but that is my gut feeling.
Well damn sir, hook us up with jobs!

I think he's under 4.6, honestly. Even in the video I posted, while he isn't the same type of sudden athlete that we've become accustomed to at the WR position, he's still extremely fluid for a man his size. Also, he's more of a long strider, kind of like AJ Green or Jon Baldwin last year. He doesn't explode off the line per say, but he builds up speed as he moves down the field. Look at the pass in the video, I forget what time, where he abuses Dre Kirkpatrick in press coverage on the inside slant. If you're worried he won't be able to get off press in the NFL, he's doing it against a rumored Top 10-12 pick there. In fact, he had a huge day against Bama in general, and that was a damn talented defense. I understand that was a year ago, but if he's putting in the work now and he shows up in shape, the sky is the limit for this kid. Teams will always, always want a #1 receiver, and that's exactly what he can be.
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Every year you hear guys with conditioning issues, and the same questions always arise (hakeem nicks?) But wow does this guy take it to another level. I wouldn't go anywhere near 1st round for him, the only scenario i'd want him on my team is a late round pick (5-7) as a project TE.
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