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View Poll Results: which white boy is best?
Eric Decker 11 7.48%
Austin Collie 1 0.68%
Brandon Stokely 0 0%
Jordy Nelson 43 29.25%
Wes Wlker 86 58.50%
Anthony Gonzalez 0 0%
Julian Edelman 0 0%
Blair White 2 1.36%
- Other 4 2.72%
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The only thing that Welker & Nelson have in common is their skin color. If I'm starting a team today, I'm going with Jordy Nelson, only because he's bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletic. Jordy reminds me of Larry Fitzgerald physically. It's not entirely surprising that Jordy has one of the highest average yards per catch given his combination of speed, size and strength. Not only is he hard to bring down, he can get around defenders too. A lot WR's in the NFL have been developing their skills since they could walk. The fact that Jordy only started playing WR in his so. year of college is probably a testiment to his athleticism and hard work, but because he is "relatively" new to the position, I think he still has a lot of upside. I don't think what he's doing now or what he did against the Steelers is any kind of fluke.

For those of you going with Welker, I'm curious why. Besides his production in the NE offense, what makes you think Wes is better?
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I miss Drew Bennett, and I'm sad that the corpse of Anthony Gonzalez can get on the poll but Marc "he can fly for a white guy" Mariani can't. The man's a Pro Bowler...as a return specialist!

I mean, yeah, he can't even get separation from linebackers, but Gonzo can't separate himself from his failures.

Oh, and Jordyz is only good because he's white. Oh yes, I read that article.

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Jordy has the speed to actually get behind defenders. Think he ran a 4.45-4.50 40 at the combine which is good for a guy his size. I think he leads the NFL with catches of over 50 yards this year. Still, the obvious choice here is Welker. He's done it for a few years now
Jordy did it again today..... 124 yards, got deep for the clinching 40-yard deep ball TD.
Why do DBs keep under-estimating his speed?
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Jordy did it again today..... 124 yards, got deep for the clinching 40-yard deep ball TD.
Why do DBs keep under-estimating his speed?
There was no safety help on that play as everyone was coming on the blitz. Rodgers probably could have hit any of his WR's there, but probably singled out that corner as the best mismatch. I don't think it was a situation where they were under-estimating Nelson, the Bucks were just trying to make a play and GB was better.

Being how Arod gets rid of the ball so quick, I wonder how effective bringing a safetly blitz from that far out would ever be against this GB team. That safety was so irrelavant in that play that it was like playing defense with 10 players.
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Take Brady away from Welker and he will have the same season as Collie without Manning.
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Im confused here. Some people are saying Aaron Rodgers is having the best season of all time for a QB, but yet detract from Welker because he has Tom Brady throwing to him??? Surely Jordy benefits from Aaron Rodgers???

People can't have it both ways.

Fact of the matter is that Welker has done it consistently for the last four years, and this year he has 32 more catches, 250 more yards but 3 less TDs.

Don't get me wrong, Jordy is a great player and will be a star, but for all the "Welker has Brady comments" you could say "Jordy has Rodgers and Greg Jennings, Donald Driver and Jermichael Finley to take away coverage."

With the exceptions of Gronk and maybe Hernandez, who scares opposing defensive cooridnators on the Pats?
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I'm not sure whether jayceheathman is saying that Welker is nothing without Brady or that if Manning was healthy Collie would be in the discussion. Both Jordy and Welker play with great QBs, so that is not a valid argument for one or the other. And there is no way of knowing what Collie would be doing if Manning were healthy. Would Collie even be healthy? How many concussions is he up to now?
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Take Brady away from Welker and he will have the same season as Collie without Manning.
really? because me thinks that in 2008 (year that Brady got injured for the season against the chiefs in the first game) that wes welker had a 1,000 yard season and over 100 catches....

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Take Brady away from Welker and he will have the same season as Collie without Manning.
Would Welker be worse without Brady? Of course, pretty much every receiver would be. But he did have a pretty good season in Miami with Joey Harrington, a washed up Daunte Culpepper, and Cleo Lemon throwing him the ball.
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Don't get me wrong, Jordy is a great player and will be a star, but for all the "Welker has Brady comments" you could say "Jordy has Rodgers and Greg Jennings, Donald Driver and Jermichael Finley to take away coverage."
I think that most Packer fans would agree that the Packers receivers/backs all look better than they really are (possible exception for Jennings), due to scheme, diversity of talent, and their QB. That's why Jones only got $3.5 Million on the open market, why Jordy signed for only $4.5 Million per year, and why Finley is talking about giving a "hometown discount." And nobody thinks that Starks/Grant/Kuhn would have much value to anybody other than Green Bay. Kuhn is great in the system, Grant is 29, and Starks is a homeless man's Adrian Peterson.

It's not that these aren't good players, they're just more effective/valuable with Green Bay than they would be with anybody else in the NFL. I don't follow the Patriots nearly as close, but I think that the same can be said for a lot of their offensive skill players.

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Im confused here. Some people are saying Aaron Rodgers is having the best season of all time for a QB, but yet detract from Welker because he has Tom Brady throwing to him??? Surely Jordy benefits from Aaron Rodgers???

People can't have it both ways.

Fact of the matter is that Welker has done it consistently for the last four years, and this year he has 32 more catches, 250 more yards but 3 less TDs.

Don't get me wrong, Jordy is a great player and will be a star, but for all the "Welker has Brady comments" you could say "Jordy has Rodgers and Greg Jennings, Donald Driver and Jermichael Finley to take away coverage."

With the exceptions of Gronk and maybe Hernandez, who scares opposing defensive cooridnators on the Pats?
Welker has also been targeted 100 times compared to Jordy's 53. The downside to having those weapons around him is that he doesn't get as many opportunities. He is often not the primary option whereas Welker is the primary on seemingly every play.

I think you have to give the edge to Welker right now because he has the numbers and he's done it longer, but I wouldn't trade Jordy for him.
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Welker has also been targeted 100 times compared to Jordy's 53. The downside to having those weapons around him is that he doesn't get as many opportunities. He is often not the primary option whereas Welker is the primary on seemingly every play.

I think you have to give the edge to Welker right now because he has the numbers and he's done it longer, but I wouldn't trade Jordy for him.
Sure but Welker has also had Revis on him for two games.

I can understand why you wouldn't trade Jordy for Welker. In fact, in a strange way I would maybe trade Welker for Jordy however I still think Welker is better. The Pats could really use a guy like Jordy on the outside whereas they have Gronk, Hernandez and even Edelman to work the middle of the field.

It all comes down to what you want your team to do. Welker moves the chains and picks up tough yardage and is pretty much always good for 6-8 catches and 80-100 yards every game. That consistency for a WR is invaluable.
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Jordy signed for only $4.5 Million per year
Given Jordy's physical skill set, I think the Packers got a steal. Some credit has to go to the GB organization for recognizing his talent early and locking him up, which GB is known for doing. I don't think it is necessairly indicative of Jordy's worth though.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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