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Supposedly flipped out because his teammates wouldn't sit with him in the cafeteria. What is this, elementary school?

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Is that the real reason?
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Is that the real reason?
That's the incident that led to him flipping out, and he's supposedly now in a treatment facility for something still unknown.
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Hey can I sit with you guys?

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Old 10-30-2013, 07:01 PM    (permalink
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Another player who can't keep his personal life in order? I don't want to judge too much, but these seem to be more players than ever who can't handle balancing their personal life with their job.
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Not everybody responds well to being punked/pranked/bulleyed, whatever you want to call it.

Let's see what details emerge here before we judge, but whether he's too thin-skinned or not, the "pranksters" seem to be the bad guys here, not Martin.

I heard one caller today guess that this is a possible Kerry Rhodes type thing... I have no idea about that, but there seems to be more to this than what's been released so far.....
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Not everybody responds well to being punked/pranked/bulleyed, whatever you want to call it.

Let's see what details emerge here before we judge, but whether he's too thin-skinned or not, the "pranksters" seem to be the bad guys here, not Martin.

I heard one caller today guess that this is a possible Kerry Rhodes type thing... I have no idea about that, but there seems to be more to this than what's been released so far.....
By this do you mean doubts about his sexuality?
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**** man. I hope he is okay. Apparently he just had an emotional breakdown. He went immediately reached out for some help and now is with his family for now. Seems like the pressure got to him a little bit too much.
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My first thought when reading the article and that he went in to an unspecified "treatment facility" was that it is a possible Barret Robbins type thing.
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Can't help but think the trade for McKinnie and move to RT having something to do with it (especially since he wasn't playing poorly enough to be demoted, Clabo was just playing SOOOOOOO poorly).
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You gotta think that in a game like football, if for whatever reason a guy becomes alienated from the rest of the team, that's a pretty heavy emotional burden. You've still got all those expectations on you, and you're still expected to perform at a high level, but without the camaraderie that's supposed to be the foundation for teams, you're just a guy getting hit every day in practice, and he's just good enough for people to be on his case all the time for letting the quarterback get hit. Whatever the reason may be, if there was some schism between him and the rest of the team it's not hard to imagine him telling everybody to **** themselves and walking out. Might not be the right move and the press loves that kind of thing, but pro football's such a high pressure environment it's not hard to imagine a guy who's struggling on the field as well as in the locker room to lose his desire to be there, and if you're a big, aggressive dude, you might have a few choice words on your way out, too.

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It's important to remember that NFL players are children, babied their entire lives. No rational person would come remotely close to endangering a multi-million dollar job over something like this.
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It's important to remember that NFL players are children, babied their entire lives. No rational person would come remotely close to endangering a multi-million dollar job over something like this.

It's not fair to Martin to call him a baby. Football players like us are people. We don't know what's going on in this guys life. People all the time for any given reason have emotional breakdowns.

When we have them we get to call out sick from the office for a few days. And don't have reporters asking around us asking why we didn't show up for work etc. Also this is a young man still only 24 years old. So let him get help he needs.
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Also as a Bucs fan we had a young, very good second round pick. Arron Sears an OG walk off from the team. It turned out to be the last time we'd ever see him again.

“Sears has almost total loss of function, is unable to care for himself and cannot take [care] of his day-to-day activities,” the lawsuit says, according to the Tampa Bay Times. “Further, Arron Sears has extreme displays of temper and anger with the appurtenant risk of causing harm to himself and others.”

So we really shouldn't joke about Martin. Maybe the guy needs some real help.
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Not everybody responds well to being punked/pranked/bulleyed, whatever you want to call it.

Let's see what details emerge here before we judge, but whether he's too thin-skinned or not, the "pranksters" seem to be the bad guys here, not Martin.

I heard one caller today guess that this is a possible Kerry Rhodes type thing... I have no idea about that, but there seems to be more to this than what's been released so far.....
That's what i'm assuming. Some teammates were acting like docks bout Martin being Rudy Cool, and Martin was gunna have none of that ****. And if that's the case, good for him, if the team can't get its employees to act like human beings and not pieces of ****, then they can **** off.
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It's not fair to Martin to call him a baby. Football players like us are people. We don't know what's going on in this guys life. People all the time for any given reason have emotional breakdowns.

When we have them we get to call out sick from the office for a few days. And don't have reporters asking around us asking why we didn't show up for work etc. Also this is a young man still only 24 years old. So let him get help he needs.
um this guy has been AWOL from a job that pays him millions because he can't get along with his co-workers, he either has severe, drastically life altering mental issues or he's a baby. I can understand needing an emotional break or something but get real with this prank business.
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(if someone walks away) from a job that pays him millions because he can't get along with his co-workers, he either has severe, drastically life altering mental issues or he's a baby.
Or, it's not worth it to him. I worked a job once that I took on the promise of a fat paycheck, discovered along the way that the people I had to work very closely with on a daily basis were unequivocal assholes, and realized that taking a job solely for the paycheck can be a bad idea. Sometimes it's really not worth being miserable. There's a difference between having to work hard and having to work through being constantly belittled or degraded. They take very different tolls on you, and while there's always the Albert Haynesworth's of the world who are so talented they can afford to coast to the highest levels for a fat payout, most guys in the NFL have worked to their present roles from their love of the game, and if a guy loses that, it's not always about the money. And besides, it's not like he hasn't already made a good bit. If a person feels like they're choosing between happiness and wealth, they're going to choose happiness. Wealth can be an avenue for that, but if it's not working it's not working.

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Or, it's not worth it to him. I worked a job once that I took on the promise of a fat paycheck, discovered along the way that the people I had to work very closely with on a daily basis were unequivocal assholes, and realized that taking a job solely for the paycheck can be a bad idea. Sometimes it's really not worth being miserable. There's a difference between having to work hard and having to work through being belittled or degraded. They take very different tolls on you.
I can definitely see why you'd feel that way here in the real world but an NFL opportunity is not just another fat paycheck type job, it is a one in a million chance to set yourself up for life and this guy is throwing it away over elementary school bs.
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It's important to remember that NFL players are children, babied their entire lives. No rational person would come remotely close to endangering a multi-million dollar job over something like this.
who knows whats going on behind the scenes. we all have our breaking point, no matter what the circumstances are.
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I can definitely see why you'd feel that way here in the real world but an NFL opportunity is not just another fat paycheck type job, it is a one in a million chance to set yourself up for life and this guy is throwing it away over elementary school bs.
*shrug* you can live a happy and comfortable life even if you pass up the opportunity to be set for life.
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It's important to remember that NFL players are children, babied their entire lives. No rational person would come remotely close to endangering a multi-million dollar job over something like this.
Well this is an extremely simplistic and entirely wrong point-of-view.

I think this is probably a lot more serious than people want to admit. I think it's much more likely that he's been alienated in the locker room, and that this last gesture of ignoring him was simply too much to handle. It is certainly possible that Martin caused himself to be alienated, and/or that he's severely overreacting, but to be ostracized in an environment that places such an emphasis on the team would be a difficult situation for anyone, and one that everyone may not be able to "rationally" handle. Given his apparent enrollment in a treatment program, Martin may be one of those people, and hopefully he gets the help he needs if that's the case.
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It's important to remember that NFL players are children, babied their entire lives. No rational person would come remotely close to endangering a multi-million dollar job over something like this.
Ummm, no, if anyone is not babied throughout their lives it is NFL players. Were talking about young men who have put their bodies on the line for years, risk major injury that will have serious long-term effects, push their bodies beyond the point of exhaustion, deal with intense pressure from their coaches and fanbases. Everything they do is under a microscope, and they had to show incredible work ethic and an iron will to succeed to make it where they did. Those who have a childs mentality are normally weeded out well before they ever make the NFL, and those that are talented enough to get a shot despite maturity issues don't usually last long. When players make the NFL, they know they have overcome tremendous odds and are living their dream and are suddenly rich at a very young age - and that sort of success can be hard for a person to handle. Wise men have told me that success is actually harder to handle than failure, and I have found it to be true. And we see this happen with a lot of guys who become too big too fast and just havent set up a proper support structure and dont know how to handle their new life.

As for Jonathan Martin, who knows what it is. He could have an actual mental illness. Thats a real thing. Maybe he is alienated in the locker room and had some issues going on off the field and just had an actual mental breakdown. Those things do happen. Its hard to speculate.

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Ummm, no, if anyone is not babied throughout their lives it is NFL players. Were talking about young men who have put their bodies on the line for years, risk major injury that will have serious long-term effects, push their bodies beyond the point of exhaustion, deal with intense pressure from their coaches and fanbases. Everything they do is under a microscope, and they had to show incredible work ethic and an iron will to succeed to make it where they did. Those who have a childs mentality are normally weeded out well before they ever make the NFL, and those that are talented enough to get a shot despite maturity issues don't usually last long. When players make the NFL, they know they have overcome tremendous odds and are living their dream and are suddenly rich at a very young age - and that sort of success can be hard for a person to handle. Wise men have told me that success is actually harder to handle than failure, and I have found it to be true. And we see this happen with a lot of guys who become too big too fast and just havent set up a proper support structure and dont know how to handle their new life.

As for Jonathan Martin, who knows what it is. He could have an actual mental illness. Thats a real thing. Maybe he is alienated in the locker room and had some issues going on off the field and just had an actual mental breakdown. Those things do happen. Its hard to speculate.
The bold part is the part that makes them child-like. Adults (read: average citizens past college / past the age of 20) deal with these circumstances in a better fashion than the head-line grabbing NFL players do. The majority of NFL players don't act like this, and he shouldn't either. If he has a mental problem, that needs to be addressed and this behavior can be excused.
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I can definitely see why you'd feel that way here in the real world but an NFL opportunity is not just another fat paycheck type job, it is a one in a million chance to set yourself up for life and this guy is throwing it away over elementary school bs.
The guy probably already has enough in his bank account to live without a paycheck until he's 250 years old. He IS set for life.
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I know this is a little off topic but I cannot understand how NFL players end up broke when they're finished playing. Take Martin as an example. He was a second round pick after the rookie wage scale came in. He got approximately a $2m signing bonus and has made about $1m in his career.

So, for 2 years he made about $3m. To put that into perspective. If you worked in a $60k per year job, you would need to work for 50 years to make that. He should be set for life with that kind of money already and he only played for 2 years.
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