College Gameday Thread: Week 14 - Page 15

bearsfan_51 · 12-04-2011, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JHL6719

As for Gundy's comments about a 39-36 game.... I'll bet him anything he wants that they can't score more than 17 points against LSU or Bama...

Well it's hard to match a standard set by Georgia Southern.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=313230333

Betting. You're not good at it.

Brodeur · 12-04-2011, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Well yeah but that's because James killed five hookers.

Doesn't change the fact that you may or may not have raped and murdered a girl in 1990. I'm not saying you did rape and murder a girl in 1990, but I am not ruling out that bearsfan_51 raped and murdered a girl in 1990.

yodapoop · 12-04-2011, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Well it's hard to match a standard set by Georgia Southern.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=313230333

Betting. You're not good at it.

And West Virginia put up 21 against LSU with pretty much the same system as Oklahoma State, so yeah....

JHL6719 · 12-04-2011, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Well it's hard to match a standard set by Georgia Southern.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=313230333

Betting. You're not good at it.

I remember the exact same things being said when Oklahoma was the highest scoring offense in the country, and the only team to ever score 60+ points in 4 or 5 straight games. They could only score 14 on Florida in the NC game... but you could probably point to Ole Miss scoring 31 on the Gators in an upset earlier that season and think someone was crazy for believing Oklahoma couldn't...and Florida's defense wasn't even close to being as good as LSU or Bama's this year.

Same thing for Oklahoma's offense in 2003 which could only muster 14 points against LSU in the national championship game.. guess who scored more on LSU that season?

Same thing for Texas Tech's offense in 2005 when they could only muster 10 points against Bama's defense in the Cotton Bowl, the lowest point total they'd been held to since 2001... guess who scored more against Bama's defense that year?

To make a long story short, I'll bet your a** too... Only one way to find out who's good at betting..

bearsfan_51 · 12-04-2011, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JHL6719

I remember the exact same things being said when Oklahoma was the highest scoring offense in the country, and the only team to ever score 60+ points in 4 or 5 straight games. They could only score 14 on Florida in the NC game... but you could probably point to Ole Miss scoring 31 on the Gators in an upset earlier that season and think someone was crazy for believing Oklahoma couldn't...and Florida's defense wasn't even close to being as good as LSU or Bama's this year.

Same thing for Oklahoma's offense in 2003 which could only muster 14 points against LSU in the national championship game.. guess who scored more on LSU that season?

Same thing for Texas Tech's offense in 2005 when they could only muster 10 points against Bama's defense in the Cotton Bowl, the lowest point total they'd been held to since 2001... guess who scored more against Bama's defense that year?

To make a long story short, I'll bet your a** too... Only one way to find out who's good at betting..

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever get to find out.

JHL6719 · 12-04-2011, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever get to find out.

If not, the bright side for the SEC fatigued is that they'll finally get to see an SEC team lose in the national championship game :^)

jayceheathman · 12-04-2011, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

******* ABC. Why the hell did we need to see the last few minutes of that **** Houston game, they were getting trained anyway.

Everyone knew Baylor would dominate anyways. :)

bearsfan_51 · 12-04-2011, 01:20 AM

Some BCS "experts" are saying that even if the polls keep Alabama at #2, the computers should push Ok State ahead.

Tasty schadenfreude either way.

JHL6719 · 12-04-2011, 03:52 AM

Great article about how the SEC has actually been screaming the loudest for a playoff....

"SEC not to blame for BCS rematch, they tried to avoid it"

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...jection_120311

SickwithIt1010 · 12-04-2011, 04:40 AM

Give Ok State the chance. Im fairly certain that Bama is the 2nd best team in the country, but I think that someone else deserves the shot. If OK State had gone out and won by a field goal I'd say that Bama deserves it but that game right there should put Ok State in the 2 spot. Give them a chance, Bama already blew theirs.

Punisher · 12-04-2011, 05:25 AM

USC would match LSU better than anyone in the country.

ugh.

Grizzlegom · 12-04-2011, 06:33 AM

I think Oklahoma State won a chance to play in the National Championship last night. I still don't understand how Alabama deserves to be in the NC given the CURRENT system regardless of whether they are the second best team or not. They didn't win their conference and they got beat at home by the team they'd be getting a rematch against. If the regular season counts as much as the BCS and college football people claim, then Alabama losing at home to the team already should pretty much disqualify them from being able to get a second chance. Just my $.02

Trogdor · 12-04-2011, 06:36 AM

I guess SEC homers will need a new argument since Ok State played some very good defense against a much better QB than either of LSU's. Wonder which carries more weight: conference champions over a top 10 ranked team or a team who couldn't win not only their conference but their division?

Ok State's S.O.S will increase and they add another quality win. Not understanding the epic love for LSU's defense currrently... did you watch the Georgia game? Even you won't try to argue that Georgia's offense is anywhere close to Ok State... It should of been 21-0 if not for horrible dropsies.

SolidGold · 12-04-2011, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Grizzlegom

I think Oklahoma State won a chance to play in the National Championship last night. I still don't understand how Alabama deserves to be in the NC given the CURRENT system regardless of whether they are the second best team or not. They didn't win their conference and they got beat at home by the team they'd be getting a rematch against. If the regular season counts as much as the BCS and college football people claim, then Alabama losing at home to the team already should pretty much disqualify them from being able to get a second chance. Just my $.02

I agree wholeheartedly ++++rep for you

The SEC is a conference of diarrhea qb play.

Halsey · 12-04-2011, 09:53 AM

SEC QBs have to play SEC defenses. Life is easier for a QB when facing the soft defenses other conferences throw out.

SolidGold · 12-04-2011, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Halsey

SEC QBs have to play SEC defenses. Life is easier for a QB when facing the soft defenses other conferences throw out.

When you say SEC defenses you mean the Alabama and LSU defenses. It seems every SEC homer forgets the whole conference is not dominant, like every other conference it is top heavy. Besides Alabama and LSU which are perenially stocked with NFL talent. Any other team - Arkansas, South Carolina or UGA are no better than Stanford, USC, Oregon, Michigan, Wisconsin.

Instead of saying the SEC is the dominant conference - just say that Alabama and LSU are great teams that carry that conference.

Halsey · 12-04-2011, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SolidGold

When you say SEC defenses you mean the Alabama and LSU defenses.

No, I said what I said. SEC defenses. Everyone knows SEC defenses are better top to bottom than other conferences. It's been proven over and over and over on the field. SEC QBs have to face a tougher defenses on a week to week basis than QBs from any other conference.

Complex · 12-04-2011, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SolidGold

When you say SEC defenses you mean the Alabama and LSU defenses. It seems every SEC homer forgets the whole conference is not dominant, like every other conference it is top heavy. Besides Alabama and LSU which are perenially stocked with NFL talent. Any other team - Arkansas, South Carolina or UGA are no better than Stanford, USC, Oregon, Michigan, Wisconsin.

Instead of saying the SEC is the dominant conference - just say that Alabama and LSU are great teams that carry that conference.

SEC is the most dominate conference. If Garcia wasn't a alcoholic they would of have been contending for a NC(South Carolina). Arkansas would win their conference in every other conference and so would Georgia.

Brent · 12-04-2011, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Well yeah but that's because James killed five hookers.

I believe that was something you received when you signed with SMU, back in the day.

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

Doesn't change the fact that you may or may not have raped and murdered a girl in 1990. I'm not saying you did rape and murder a girl in 1990, but I am not ruling out that bearsfan_51 raped and murdered a girl in 1990.

What?

SolidGold · 12-04-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Halsey

No, I said what I said. SEC defenses. Everyone knows SEC defenses are better top to bottom than other conferences. It's been proven over and over and over on the field. SEC QBs have to face a tougher defenses on a week to week basis than QBs from any other conference.

Ok lets make a list of SEC QBs.

Miss St. - Chris Relf/Tyler Russell
Auburn - Barrett Trotter
Florida - John Brantley
Kentucky - Morgan Newton/Maxwell Smith
Tenn - Tyler Bray (he is legit...on a bad team)/Chris Simms
South Carolina - Connor Shaw/Garcia
Vanderbilt - Jordan Rodgers/Larry Smith
LSU - Jordan Jefferson/Jarret Lee
Alabama - McCarron
Arkansas - Tyler Wilson (Quality QB)
UGA - Murray - I think he is solid to, receivers dropped two sure tds last night.

So three teams out of a 12 team conference actually have decent reliable QB play and one - Bray is on a bad Volunteer team. Going up against mediocre QBs most weeks will make defenses look better.

Last night UGA could of had 14 more points on the board in the first half going into halftime w/ 21 points. The two drops had nothing to do with LSU's defense. Looking at the blowouts LSU gave its last two opponents - #3 Arkansas and #14 UGA and the large margin of the Alabama victories over Arkansas and than #12 Florida just demonstrates the gap within the conference itself.

It's funny when a great QB plays in the SEC like Tebow or Newton they seem to transcend the great defenses and put up points and win games.

And your telling me Auburn, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Miss St, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee and Florida are better defenses than PSU, USC, Mich St, Wisconsin, OK st to name a few.

Babylon · 12-04-2011, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Punisher

USC would match LSU better than anyone in the country.

ugh.

It's a moot point but i agree. Given the time i think the Kiffin's would come up with a game plan to beat LSU, or at least have the best chance too.

I see it being Alabama. The tide were in the first game till the end and they look to me the best challenger and come from the strongest conferance.

bearsfan_51 · 12-04-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Halsey

No, I said what I said. SEC defenses. Everyone knows SEC defenses are better top to bottom than other conferences. It's been proven over and over and over on the field. SEC QBs have to face a tougher defenses on a week to week basis than QBs from any other conference.

I don't think everyone knows that, since Big Ten defensive players are always drafted very high in the NFL.

Halsey · 12-04-2011, 11:48 AM

People are just making desperate arguments against an Alabama-LSU rematch. They're the two best teams in the country and they come from the best conference. Trying to knock the defenses and QB play of Vanderbilt and Kentucky is just a way to get around the bottom line: LSU and Alabama are the two best teams in the country.

bearsfan_51 · 12-04-2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Halsey

People are just making desperate arguments against an Alabama-LSU rematch. They're the two best teams in the country and they come from the best conference. Trying to knock the defenses and QB play of Vanderbilt and Kentucky is just a way to get around the bottom line: LSU and Alabama are the two best teams in the country.

There's nothing desperate about this: Alabama has beaten one good team. One.

They've beaten 3 FBS teams with winning records. OK State has beaten 7. They've proven so much more than Alabama.

JoeJoeBrown · 12-04-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

There's nothing desperate about this: Alabama has beaten one good team. One.

They've beaten 3 FBS teams with winning records. OK State has beaten 7. They've proven so much more than Alabama.

Yep. But it looks like Bama will get in.