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Old 12-04-2011, 05:56 PM    (permalink
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Here's what I've seen regarding the BCS bowls. Looks all but official.

National Champ- LSU v. Alabama
Sugar- Michigan v. Virginia Tech
Orange- Clemson v. West Virginia
Rose- Oregon v. Wisconsin
Fiesta- Ok State v. Stanford
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Yeah, because they have a ******* playoff. In a system like this it is just dumb to allow this. In playoff formats you can allow the wild cards, or the 1 or 2 best non conference winners. In this situation to leave OK State out is just wrong, they have more wins, they won their conference, their resume is just flat out better than Bamas, Bama has always had their chance...

...People, keep in mind I think Bama is the 2nd best team in the country, BUT I do not think they deserve a rematch, not when their is another team in the country who hasnt gotten their chance yet.

Oklahoma St. did have their chance... they lost to Iowa St.

If you think Bama is the 2nd best team in the country, then they should be playing for the national championship against LSU.

If you watched LSU and Bama play, I'm not sure Alabama isn't THE best team in the country.

The BCS got it right again. It'll be better than watching another Big-12 offense flail away helplessly against another SEC defense in the national championship game.
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Here's what I've seen regarding the BCS bowls. Looks all but official.

National Champ- LSU v. Alabama
Sugar- Michigan v. Virginia Tech
Orange- Clemson v. West Virginia
Rose- Oregon v. Wisconsin
Fiesta- Ok State v. Stanford
Kansas State and Boise both got screwed out of going to the Sugar. I agree with Michigan going but the Wolverines vs. either KState or Boise would have been better than UM vs. VT.
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The BCS got it right again. It'll be better than watching another Big-12 offense flail away helplessly against another SEC defense in the national championship game.
No it didn't. If you line up their wins and look at which ones are better, OK State has a 7-1-3 advantage. They had a much tougher schedule and ended with the same record.

I would much rather see if OK State can match up with LSU than watch LSU win 15-6 against Alabama.
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Alabama's "sin" was not beating anyone. Alabama can keep shifting the argument if they want, but that's what it comes down to. Both teams have one loss, Ok State played the harder schedule. That's why the computers like Ok State, they don't have human bias.
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Alabama's "sin" was not beating anyone. Alabama can keep shifting the argument if they want, but that's what it comes down to. Both teams have one loss, Ok State played the harder schedule. That's why the computers like Ok State, they don't have human bias.
100% correct. Gregg Doyel wrote a great article about the Alabama-OK State debate. Oklahoma State has the better resume and that is why the computers like them. Alabama is in the SEC and that is why the voters like them.
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Alabama's "sin" was not beating anyone. Alabama can keep shifting the argument if they want, but that's what it comes down to. Both teams have one loss, Ok State played the harder schedule. That's why the computers like Ok State, they don't have human bias.
I would like to see the BCS take out the Harris and Coaches poll and just rely on the computer rankings for who gets to be #1 vs #2. You have to take away the human element because it's hard not include a bias towards one team or another.
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No it didn't. If you line up their wins and look at which ones are better, OK State has a 7-1-3 advantage. They had a much tougher schedule and ended with the same record.

I would much rather see if OK State can match up with LSU than watch LSU win 15-6 against Alabama.

I'm sure you would. And it amounts to nothing more than your bias/agenda against Alabama, or the SEC in general. It has nothing to do with the two best teams in the country playing for the national championship. That much was clear a long time ago.

I'm also sure LSU fans would rather face a slightly better version of Georgia's offense in Okie Light, except with a much worse defense, as opposed to facing the #1 defense in the country again.

Hell, if Bama had beaten LSU, I wouldn't want to face a team like LSU in the title game again either. I'd much rather face Oklahoma St.

LSU vs. Oklahoma St. is a mismatch. Anyone with eyeballs knows it.

It amazes me how Big-12 fans and coaches think their offenses can score 30-40 points on anybody in the country, no matter how many times their offenses get shut down by SEC defenses.

It's not SEC defenses versus their offenses... it's their offenses versus SEC defenses. The question is how many times must it be pounded into their skulls in order for it to sink in.
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I would like to see the BCS take out the Harris and Coaches poll and just rely on the computer rankings for who gets to be #1 vs #2. You have to take away the human element because it's hard not include a bias towards one team or another.
Wow, really? I'm MUCH more comfortable with the votes being decided by the Harris and Coaches Polls as opposed to running it through a formula. Human error is one thing, sure, but football more than any other game can't be broken down with algorithms. On tape, Alabama is a much stronger team than Oklahoma State is. They do things defensively That's the biggest thing for me. In fact, throwing out the human element would lead to MORE things like this, not less. It would be much harder for a team like Boise State to break into the mix with that system, even if they've earned it.


Don't get me wrong; it's not good for the sport to have the two best teams coming from the same conference. Really not good even. But if you want to put the best two teams on the field, it's Bama and LSU over everyone else by a wide margin.
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Wow, really? I'm MUCH more comfortable with the votes being decided by the Harris and Coaches Polls as opposed to running it through a formula.
except that, the coaches don't actually watch the games. they go base off of what they hear.
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except that, the coaches don't actually watch the games. they go base off of what they hear.
I agree that they need to find guys who are more accountable for who they pick, but throwing out the human element would be quite possibly the worst thing to happen in this entire thing.
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And the people in the Harris poll are even worse.

Did you know that Gus Frerotte has a vote? You may ask why. But I have no ******* idea. Jerry Sandusky used to have a vote, so that's comforting.
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I would feel much more comfortable with the AP poll being a part of the BCS system than either the Harris or Coaches poll. In fact, I'm very anti-coaches poll and feel the BCS will remain a flawed system as long as it's a part of it.

The Harris poll should be tweaked for the voters. I wouldn't include former players or former commissioners for any conference. Former coaches is fine but then having select current media as well as former media. Do away with former coaches and administration.

Strength of schedule also needs to be considered more strongly in deciding a champion as well. Take the average out of the five SoS rankings or hell, just use the Sagarin rankings since those seem to be the most respected.

Although my perfect system is an 8 team playoff. Use the BCS as part of ranking the top 8 teams and then pair them off in a rotation of 5 bowl locations (Sugar, Orange, Rose, Fiesta, and Cotton). If the bowls argue about that then an easy solution would be to add match-ups to all five bowls meaning that they would receive 2 games being played in their stadium with the same conference tie-ins. That erases some of the lower tiered bowls but who the hell is excited about going to Toronto or Boise or New York to play in late December anyway?
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They really need to come up with some kind of selection committee. The playoff system the announcers proposed the other day at the end of the SEC Championship game kind of sucked, but that's a real solid idea. There's major disagreements with the selection committee for basketball, but they've generally gotten it right(or close enough).


So yeah, I guess I'm all for killing the current human part of this system, but taking it out altogether would completely go against the best way to make evaluations in the sport.
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SEC does it again Bama vs LSU. What is this 5 straight championships?
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I can't believe that they are even implying that the first time they met was a good exciting game... Each team sucked for the whole game and Bama ended up sucking more...
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Honestly; good on them for doing exactly what they're supposed to. Excited to see those two teams go at it again. Kill the BCS anyway, but they got this one right.


This is actually the best possible result for both ends, even. The two best teams in the country get to play a game for all the marbles and the public outcry for the BCS to go will reach new levels. I can be happy with that.
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I can't believe that they are even implying that the first time they met was a good exciting game... Each team sucked for the whole game and Bama ended up sucking more...
Agree 100%. **** offenses make defenses look better.
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Ugh...Craig James....
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SEC does it again Bama vs LSU. What is this 5 straight championships?
6 straight actually...
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How can people make an argument for the SEC being exceptional this year? That's ******* ridiculous. LSU was exceptional this year. That's it.

God I hate ESPN.
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