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Old 12-04-2011, 01:01 AM    (permalink
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Okay so maybe I'm bored but my friend is a 9ers fan and I bleed the ol silver and black so let's hear a non-bias view. Who would you take today?
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Heyward-Bey. I'm encouraged by his progress this year, and will be interested to see what he'll be able to do after a full off-season with Carson Palmer. Palmer's really the first QB Oakland has had since Heyward-Bey's been there who is known as a deep passer, and that's what DHB was drafted for. On the other hand, Crabtree was drafted to be a West Coast wideout, a big, strong possession receiver who racked up the catches. He's had that kind of QB his whole career, but has been pretty unimpressive as an open-field runner, and that's not some thing likely to improve much over the rest of his career. DHB has still got his speed, and continues to develop as a receiver. So DHB seems like he still has some potential at this point, while I feel like we pretty much know what kind of player Crabtree is.
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Heyward-Bey. I'm encouraged by his progress this year, and will be interested to see what he'll be able to do after a full off-season with Carson Palmer. Palmer's really the first QB Oakland has had since Heyward-Bey's been there who is known as a deep passer, and that's what DHB was drafted for. On the other hand, Crabtree was drafted to be a West Coast wideout, a big, strong possession receiver who racked up the catches. He's had that kind of QB his whole career, but has been pretty unimpressive as an open-field runner, and that's not some thing likely to improve much over the rest of his career. DHB has still got his speed, and continues to develop as a receiver. So DHB seems like he still has some potential at this point, while I feel like we pretty much know what kind of player Crabtree is.
I will say that you are right, Palmer is loads better than the other Raider QBs since DHB was drafted. However, let's be honest; the reason DHB looked bad in the past is because he was bad. He has grown as a receiver so much it's like night and day. Meanwhile Crabtree seems to have stagnated.
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I wonder why Darius Heyward-Bey has been taken out of the Raiders lineup this season. Now it seems like he's playing again, but a few weeks ago I don't think he was playing and it was really weird because there wasn't a report of an injury and I don't recall there being an explanation unless I missed it. He was producing pretty well and around the time they got Palmer he was just taken out of the game plan for guys like T.J. Houshmandzadeh apparently.
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I think if you just look at the big play ability you'd have to say DHB, but I don't see him being consistent enough to be someone the defense needs to scheme against. Crabtree hasn't developed into what most people thought when he first came into the league, but I do think he's a more complete receiver who doesn't have the same big play ability as DHB but is someone with a decent QB could most 80 rec 1200 yard seasons. So I have to go with Crabtree on this one although I think he has been very underwhelming so far.
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Heyward-Bey has been great as a WR run blocker, Idk how good crabtrees done at that but I see that as a big plus.
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I took DHB.

I was just so glad in that draft, that Teddy Thompson wasn't suckered into taking Crabtree instead of BJ Raji.
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On Crabtree

I've seen him play once this year. I don't think you would want to give up on him too early in his career. I know this is the NFL, but he had shown at Tech he was capable of putting the team on his back before we found out he was a "Diva". He has a nice receiving supporting cast to not warrant any double-teams, which is a plus for him to dominate a 1 on 1 match up whenever he can.
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Hakeem Nicks...DHB the kid's progressing wihle Crabtree's development has been stagnant. If his head ever gets screwed on straight he could still end up better but DHB is pulling up fast and going to pass him as a player within the next the year and if Crabtree doesn't start progressing he'll just pull away.
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Heyward-Bey has been great as a WR run blocker, Idk how good crabtrees done at that but I see that as a big plus.
Crabtree bought in to the team aspect finally and is doing really well in his blocking assignments. He still drops some balls that shouldn't be dropped and seems close on breaking through. However, the Niners just don't throw the ball often and receivers won't put up the numbers they would with all but a couple teams in the league.
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This is the prime reason you can't judge players after a year or 2 in this league. Both Crabtree and DHB are developing and have been contributing this year. I'm anxious to see how they do in there 4th year.

Honestly, It's hard to compare these two right now. DHB has had like several different starting QBs and him and Palmer have not gone through a full offseason together to build that chemistry, so Crabtree has the advantage.
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Crabtree has been picking it up lately. I think he just needs a better qb. I don't think Crabs can ever become that dominant stud #1 he was made out to be, but I do think he can be much better than he's showing us thus far.

I'm going to take Crabtree, but it's not a lock.
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I voted Crabtree....because he's better. Always has been, and nothing has really changed. I don't really have much more to say than that.
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I'd still take Crabs. He does certain things at the WR position that are so underrated. I can see Heyward-Bey having a colossal year at some point in his career, but I think Crabtree will be more consistent, and if he can get in the right pass happy offense he can be a 100 catch 1300 yard type guy. He may not have the best deep speed, but I think he can certainly be a valuable contributor in an NFL offense.
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1. Stay Healthy -(he's never participated in a preseason, and has had 2 foot surgeries. He has been on the injury report up until last week, and you can really see it on the field. The Crabtree that started the 2009 season (healthy) and that is playing as we speak (healthy) is looking great. Revolving door at QB in 2010 stunted progression.

2. Consistency with hands. Drops easy ones, catches tough ones, so it's simply a focus issue.


Also, he's done nothing as a 49er to lead anyone to believe he's a "Diva." He's enigmatic, and reclusive, and can come across as aloof. That's not a "me-first diva."
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I wonder why Darius Heyward-Bey has been taken out of the Raiders lineup this season. Now it seems like he's playing again, but a few weeks ago I don't think he was playing and it was really weird because there wasn't a report of an injury and I don't recall there being an explanation unless I missed it. He was producing pretty well and around the time they got Palmer he was just taken out of the game plan for guys like T.J. Houshmandzadeh apparently.
Housh barely plays.

DHB lost snaps to Jacoby Ford and Denarius Moore, two players who are far better than DHB. It was the right decision. DHB is back as a starter due to injury.

DHB doesn't fight for contested passes. Moore and Ford do. With a guy like Palmer at QB, someone who will take some chances trying to give his WRs a chance to make a play, you want WRs out there who know when to play a little DB.
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And Crabtree does it again.

Shows great route skills on a big first down and then shakes open in the redzone for a likely TD, but drops it.

It's what he's been doing.
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Crab looked good today.
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Heyward-Bey has been great as a WR run blocker, Idk how good crabtrees done at that but I see that as a big plus.
crabtree has been destroying fools in the run game. dominant blocking wr
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