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Old 12-09-2011, 02:38 PM    (permalink
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Too much relying on a freakin 40 time.
4.5/4.6 is plenty fast.
Also, Owens was never blazing fast and never ran a sub 4.4 I bet.
You don't need to be able to have 4.3 speed in order to succeed in the NFL.
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Too much relying on a freakin 40 time.
4.5/4.6 is plenty fast.
Also, Owens was never blazing fast and never ran a sub 4.4 I bet.
You don't need to be able to have 4.3 speed in order to succeed in the NFL.
One of the dumbest posts ever. You obviously didn't watch too much Terrell Owens in his prime.
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Actually, I believe Owens ran a 4.60 at his workout, nothing close to a 4.30. He became faster after getting to pro ball but I doubt he ever got to 4.30.
Owens didn't time 4.6. You are right that he became faster in the league as he got into his prime, as well as his incredible work ethic, but he was never 4.6. He didn't do anything at Tenn-Chatt statistically, yet he was taken in the 3rd round from a no name school. Reason? He was an incredible athlete that was very raw.

4.30 might be a little too generous I agree, but 4.35-4.40 in Owens prime isn't that far off. Especially in 2000-2002....He was the 2nd fastest wideout in football after Moss.
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Amazing how much a year changes things. This time last year we were discussing Blackmon as arguably the top deep threat in the draft.
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You said it yourself. Owens in his prime, besides Randy Moss, was the most explosive receiver in football. We're talking 4.3 speed at 225 pounds with great agility. Damned rare. This kid is 6'1, 220? And runs a 4.6 without great hands? Not a top 10 talent. Just not.

TO had elite game speed but he NEVER ran an official 4.3.
I think Blackmon is very similar to Hakeem Nicks and can be a starting #1. But I don't know if I'd take him top 5 because I don't think he has elite tools.
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@LanceZierlein Regional scout believes OK St WR Justin Blackmon will not be top 15 pick due to speed concerns. Has a late 1st grade.

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@LanceZierlein Regional scout believes OK St WR Justin Blackmon will not be top 15 pick due to speed concerns. Has a late 1st grade.

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Geee.....These guys who post here know WAY MORE about speed than the scouts....
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Geee.....These guys who post here know WAY MORE about speed than the scouts....
Speed is speed. It doesn't necessarily take a trained eye to tell if a guy is fast enough or not. Obviously nobody knows until the guy times.
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Maybe its just the number, but is how is Boldin as a comparison? Similar size, and Q had a slow timed 40 but he he didn't have problems with speed in the NFL.
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Don't think Blackmon will go top 10. You need to be special (fitz, cj, aj green) to go top 5.
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Geee.....These guys who post here know WAY MORE about speed than the scouts....
Don't you post here as well? Also so many scouts/teams have been burned drafting off of speed its not even worth debating...

If you watch Blackmon dominate on Saturday's you can see more than enough reason of why you will see him dominate on Sunday's. It's not like all of his touchdowns are just him running go routes by the secondary anyways, he works all kinds of routes, makes a living over the middle, a nightmare to tackle one on one like Brandon Marshall, and I dont know anything about him off the field but i do know he plays his ass off.
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TO was never at any point the second fastest receiver in football, not close.
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One of the dumbest posts ever. You obviously didn't watch too much Terrell Owens in his prime.
Actually, your wrong.

TO ran in the high 4.5s when he came out of Tennessee-Chattanooga. He was just one of those guys with great "game speed." He could beat anyone deep with pads on. In shorts, TO's 40 time wasn't anything special for a WR. When the pads come on, things change.

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Geee.....These guys who post here know WAY MORE about speed than the scouts....
Per your own posts, the scouts don't know either. You quoted Wes Bunting "believing" what Blackmon's speed might be and another scout quoted here admitted he "guessed" what it might be.

I don't see an elite receiver in this draft, speed or no speed.
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The Roddy White comparison is spot on. Especially the Roddy we've been seeing the past few years.

Both are big, physical receivers who rely on good routes and their strength. They're very similar. Roddy also has concentration lapses at times, dropping some easy balls.

Some people may not want to take a Roddy White in the top five, but the thing is that Blackmon is a 'safe' pick. And Roddy, despite not being extremely big or fast, has been one of the most productive receivers in the league for years now.
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I would take Blackmon in the top 5, if I was sure Blackmon would max out and reach what Roddy White has.

Edit: eh, I guess it depends what other prospects I'm looking at.
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If Blackmon runs a 4.4 predraft like Roddy did, he should go top 10 or better.

I don't think Blackmon is that fast.
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And also, Bowe played at LSU...not known for their passing attack. Blackmon plays in the spread where they throw it constantly.
Bowe had 2,297 yards and 26 TDs.

Blackmon currently has 3,378 yards and 37 TDs.

It's not like it was particularly close... Regardless of scheme, Blackmon has been prolifically productive.
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Bowe had 2,297 yards and 26 TDs.

Blackmon currently has 3,378 yards and 37 TDs.

It's not like it was particularly close... Regardless of scheme, Blackmon has been prolifically productive.
It has everything to do with scheme and attack dipsh**t.

Look at how many times OKIE throws the ball compared with LSU. I'm quite certain you'd see another discrepancy. Also have to remember that LSU is in the SEC, compared with whatever crackerjack box conference Okie plays in.
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That's because he has eaten himself out of being a top five pick. The weight gain and drop off in production explains his lost stock. He has every bit the potential to be the best WR prospect in this class but serious speed and character concerns have knocked him off his pedestal. All of that happened in the last year, so it's not a flavor of the week type of thing, there is legitimate reasons why people are hesitant about him now.
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Actually, your wrong.

TO ran in the high 4.5s when he came out of Tennessee-Chattanooga. He was just one of those guys with great "game speed." He could beat anyone deep with pads on. In shorts, TO's 40 time wasn't anything special for a WR. When the pads come on, things change.
This is true but it should also be noted that Owens was a non stop workout warrior, who put in endless hours of building up his body after the draft, right up until today. He made himself a lot faster through a rigorous program of building his strength up into somewhere near 4.45-4.50 40 time.
It is similar to how Tom Brady built up his arm strength after he was drafted in the 6th round.
Both these guys worked on the bodies until they became what they are today.
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TO had elite game speed but he NEVER ran an official 4.3.
I think Blackmon is very similar to Hakeem Nicks and can be a starting #1. But I don't know if I'd take him top 5 because I don't think he has elite tools.
I think the Nix comparison is pretty close, top 5 might be a little high but I don't think 8-15 is out of the question. I think he will go somewhere in that area.
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I think the Nix comparison is pretty close, top 5 might be a little high but I don't think 8-15 is out of the question. I think he will go somewhere in that area.
You would take a Hakeem Nicks in the 8-15 area? Lol.
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I liken him to Hakeem Nicks with a touch less bulk for a touch more speed and/or quickness.

He shouldn't go in the top 10.
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