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Old 12-22-2011, 05:11 PM    (permalink
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Default Is Ryan Mallett a better qb prospect than this crop after Luck & RG3?

Forget that he fell to the early 3RD. He's got the size and arm strength to play in the NFL. Not the greatest footwork. But, you can work on that a little. He's had a year to study how Tom Brady works and keep his nose clean. Literally.

How would you compare him to Landry Jones and Ryan Tanneyhill? I'd say ahead of Tanneyhill and pretty close to Landry Jones. Any teams interested in dealing with the devil??...err Belichick??
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Tannehill is above Jones and Mallett is better than every prospect in this class except Luck.

Hell, Mallett was better than everyone in last year's class (minus Newton).
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Why should I forget that Mallett lasted until the 3rd round in the actual NFL Draft? It's great that Mallett is big and was drafted by the Patriots, but so was Kevin O'Connell. Being tall and drafted by the Patriots doesn't automatically make someone a success.
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Why should I forget that Mallett lasted until the 3rd round in the actual NFL Draft? It's great that Mallett is big and was drafted by the Patriots, but so was Kevin O'Connell. Being tall and drafted by the Patriots doesn't automatically make someone a success.
Maybe throwing for 380 yards in 2010 and 408 on Georgia in 09 makes him a good prospect. You may have forgotten about that though. It was off the field issues which caused him to fall. Not his on-field performance.
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Tannehill is above Jones and Mallett is better than every prospect in this class except Luck.

Hell, Mallett was better than everyone in last year's class (minus Newton).
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Mallett was suuuuuuuuuch a f''''''n steeeeal unless it turns out he isn't.
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Off the field rumors are the reason Mallett wasn't taken top 10.
He's still the best pure passer and most pro ready QB prospect from the 2011 draft class.

If Mallett can handle the mental stress of not playing and learn how to manage his free time with 'healthy' activities, he's going to be a boss in the NFL soon enough.
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Maybe throwing for 380 yards in 2010 and 408 on Georgia in 09 makes him a good prospect. You may have forgotten about that though. It was off the field issues which caused him to fall. Not his on-field performance.
I'd disagree. His intermediate throws were a major concern.
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If Mallet stays away from the coke, he'll be a better player than all of them but Luck.
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He will be better because he has the luxury to sit and learn the game. First round picks don't often get that time. If he was force to play as starter for a team like the Jags this year we wouldn't even consider this a thread. Even with his time on the sideline and learning from such elitist **** coaching I wouldnt give up more than a 3rd for him. Still a very wild card.
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I had Ryan Mallet falling out of the first round very early on last year, but I still expected him to go in the 33-36 range. As good as someone like Dalton has looked this season, there was no way in hell I would have drafted him over Mallet.

I don't love this QB class, but I still like Luck and Griffin more then Mallet last year. Also, I like Tyler Wilson now more then I liked Ryan Mallet last season.
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Mallett had to have fallen because of his "extracurriculars." Doesn't have the greatest mobility, but he's Brady's backup. In that scheme, you're already planning around probably the least elusive open field QB in the NFL. And while his pocket presence isn't the greatest under pressure, it's not nearly as bad some others who need not be named. I didn't really like Mallett for a long time, but I eventually learned to appreciate the fact that he's got a truly rare arm, and if he's on a team that gives him good protection, he's got the ability to absolutely shred weaker defenses. It's always going to be a question of how he responds to pressure, but he's a guy who, at the very least, could be a great "shootout"-type QB. By the third round, you ignore the powder under his nose and take him.
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Mallett fell to the 3rd round in a draft where Christian Ponder went 12th.
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Also, because the Vikings are stupid....

Mallett also had a reputation for for being a neo-gothic drunk at Michigan. As of at least a year ago, his favorite bar stool in Ann Arbor was still known as "Mallett's seat."

I wasn't huge on the guy as a prospect, but it says a lot that everybody knew he had a thing for beer, pot, and blow; and he still went as high as the third round.
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Mallett also had a reputation for for being a neo-gothic drunk at Michigan. As of at least a year ago, his favorite bar stool in Ann Arbor was still known as "Mallett's seat."

I wasn't huge on the guy as a prospect, but it says a lot that everybody knew he had a thing for beer, pot, and blow; and he still went as high as the third round.
Isn't the drinking age 21 in Ann Arbor? He was a freshman. Sounds a little like an urban myth.
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Isn't the drinking age 21 in Ann Arbor? He was a freshman. Sounds a little like an urban myth.
Do you realize how often bartenders (not to be confused with bar owners, who care a whole lot) don't really care about the legal drinking age?

Bartenders, severs, and bouncers will let things slide for pretty much anybody who asks politely.
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We're assuming Mallett fell because of factual evidence concerning his alleged drug use.

Remember the guy tested clean at the combine and most of the rumors surrounding Mallett were just that; hearsay.

Now I have no idea what Mallett admitted or did not in interviews, but I still hold the opinion that Mallett was done in by a whisper campaign.

Remember the rumor that circulated last season how 'stupid' Mallett was?
There was nothing to that either.

Teams like Jacksonville, the Vikes and the Skins IMO will regret passing on Mallett.

I think NFL teams unfairly smeared Mallett with the Matt Jones brush and simply made a mistake on the kid.

Mallett the teammate and football player was more than solid.
With all due respect to Cam, Mallett was the best QB in the SEC from 2009-10.

I wonder if Belichick has a plan for Mallett or if he's just another asset being collected by the Patriots.
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Yes, but lets no overrate Mallet now. He has great size and all the arm talent in the world, but he had major questions about his mental make up. Not just the rumored off the field issues, but just maturity level and leadership. Obviously he hasn't done anything yet, but he has absolutely zero pressure on him and is in a great situation.

But the biggest thing about his game that needed improving was his movement in the pocket and ability to throw with pressure around him. He didn't run from it like Gabbert but he really struggled hitting guys when he had to shuffle his feet and throw with pressure. Look at the game against OSU in the bowl (Sugar?), he looked like crap when pressured. That is probably the most underrated skill in the NFL, you don't need to be fast at all if you can do this. Watch Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, they all excel at this. I think its really the thing that separates the great ones as anybody can throw when they have time.

But for this class after Luck and RG3 I don't really see anybody worth a pick in the top 2 rounds, which is where I would have had Mallett rated.
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Yes because there is no way in hell I'd touch any of the other QB prospects in this draft before the 3rd round. I had Mallett going in the 2nd.

Mallett is pretty much the superior version of Jones (off field stuff aside). He has better arm strength and superior accuracy on NFL throws.

That said I still expect at least 1 of Jones or Tannehill to go in the 1st...maybe both.
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Yes because there is no way in hell I'd touch any of the other QB prospects in this draft before the 3rd round. I had Mallett going in the 2nd.

Mallett is pretty much the superior version of Jones (off field stuff aside). He has better arm strength and superior accuracy on NFL throws.

That said I still expect at least 1 of Jones or Tannehill to go in the 1st...maybe both.
Ultimately I expect Tannehill to go in the Andy Dalton/Colin Kaepernick range, with Landry Jones sliding in somewhere between 18-32 (I fully expect someone to move up for him or a team like Cleveland with some expendable picks to burn one on him).

And really? Before the third round? I'm a skeptic, but I think both Luck and Griffin carry strong first round grades at this point...
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We aren't going to know if Mallet has any future as a starting NFL QB until Brady gets injured and they are forced to play him. Until then, he is a 3rd rounder with a big arm who is quite a bit immobile.
We may have a future gem or he could be a major flop down the line. No way to tell.

He is nowhere near the class of Luck or RG11 and it is very suspect that he will be close to any other 2012 1st round QB.
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Mallett could easily have started as a rookie for Minnesota/Tennessee/Washington/Cleveland/Jacksonville etc and IMO would have been more successful than their current starters.

The guy had/has first round talent.

Being selected in the 3rd round is all about how Mallett was valued because of off the field concerns, not his football ability.

Honestly, who in this draft do you value more than Mallett as a QB after Luck/RGIII??

It's amazing to me how the entire 2010 college season is ancient history already.

People talk as if Mallett never rolled out of the pocket, never scrambled, never extended plays with his footwork at Arkansas.

Mallett is slow, but he's not immobile.
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I think NFL teams unfairly smeared Mallett with the Matt Jones brush and simply made a mistake on the kid.
Heck, look what happened with Marques Colston, who definitely shouldn't have been a seventh-rounder. . . .
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I love how people on this board apparently are better talent evaluators/scouts than people actually getting paid for it.
Everyone is just assuming Mallet is going to be a solid starting QB in the league.
I feel people are overhyping Mallet tremendously.
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