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Old 01-10-2012, 09:26 AM    (permalink
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Luckily, I think we are in for a big change in the BCS this year. They are meeting this week and I'll be shocked if a plus-one system isn't implemented. It certainly isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have now.
Agree on both points. Plus one kind of sucks but it's better than the bcs.
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Here is what I take from your assessment. The average defenses that OK State faced was 11 spots better than the average offenses that Alabama played.

Oklahoma is not HALF a football team. Yes their total defense ranks were a bit bad. But they were 59th in yard per play. That isn't great, but it certainly isn't terrible. The reason their defense gave up so many yards is that their offense scored so quickly. Also, they often had leads, which causes teams to throw more and usually gain a bunch of garbage yards. I'm pretty sure they were also first in the country in turnovers forced and turnover ratio.

For an NFL comparison, Oklahoma State is Green Bay. Great offense. A mediocre defense that is successful at forcing turnovers. Alabama is San Francisco. Great defense. Caretaker QB with a very good running game. Neither style is better. The difference is in college, the championship is decided on paper, by voters and their perceptions on conference strength. In the NFL, it's decided on the field.

You're completely clueless. Alabama had leads all season! Alabama never trailed for one second of clock time after the 1st quarter all season. Only LSU on Nov. 5th was even within single digits in the 4th quarter.

Alabama was playing backups for the 2nd half of the majority of games. Is that not prime time stat padding opportunity there? You just said it was.


aTm held Oklahoma St.'s offense to 3 points at halftime. Iowa St. held Oklahoma St.'s offense to 17 points in regulation. Wally Burnham is an old SEC defensive coordinator, except Iowa St. doesn't have SEC talent, yet still beat the Pokes.

Alabama would score fast too if they played against the 7-on-7 drills every week that the Big-12 calls defenses.

Except those offenses would get shut down. Oklahoma St. is nothing more than Texas Tech of the Leach era... that 'incredible' offense got held to 3 points in the first 58 minutes of the Cotton Bowl by Bama's defense. And Oklahoma St. will quickly go the way of Texas Tech back into what they are. Irrelevant.

Tell me, when is the last time one of these Big-12 offenses scored more than 14-21 points against an elite SEC defense?


You're using paper to somehow prove that the Oklahoma St. could even hang with Bama or LSU. Bama and LSU prove it on the field every year that it's simply not the case against offenses as "special" as what Okie Light is trotting out there.

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Luckily, I think we are in for a big change in the BCS this year. They are meeting this week and I'll be shocked if a plus-one system isn't implemented. It certainly isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have now.

Luckily? What the **** is wrong with you people?

The SEC already tried to get YOUR CONFERENCES to go with the +1 playoff and they p*ssied out.


Jeezus you ****ers don't know whether to wind your head or scratch your watch...
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Tell me, when is the last time one of these Big-12 offenses scored more than 14-21 points against an elite SEC defense?
Last year's Cotton Bowl?
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Last year's Cotton Bowl?

And how many points did the boring SEC offense score? What was the final score...
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And how many points did the boring SEC offense score? What was the final score...
Look, I said the SEC was still the best conference. But that doesn't mean Oklahoma State shouldn't have had a chance. ON PAPER, they had just as good (if not better) a resume as Alabama did. And seeing as Alabama already had a chance, I feel OK State should have had a chance. And that is the problem. We decide champions on paper. No other sport does this. And let's not make the assumption that the Big XII isn't very good too. They went 6-2 in the bowl games. In their one chance, they lost to the SEC, so I guess the SEC has the edge.

But the fact that we are even arguing this shows how stupid the BCS is. I have been screaming for a playoff since at least 2003. If the NCAA adopted the plan I proposed eight years ago (and Dan Wetzel proposed the identical plan a few years back), we wouldn't be arguing about who the number two team should have been.We would have been arguing about whether Michigan or Baylor should be the last team in.And then we would have been deciding the champion based completely on on-the-filed results, not voters and computers.
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This matters because?
lol, how does some teams being able to cut players and sign more players every year not matter? Teams like LSU, Alabama, Auburn, etc. play by different recruiting rules than 99% of the rest of the nation b/c they have no morals. It is reason #1 why those teams are so ridiculously loaded every year and is the biggest problem with college football today. Once we get rid of oversigning and once we get a playoff we'll have fixed the most ******** parts of college ball.
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lol, how does some teams being able to cut players and sign more players every year not matter? Teams like LSU, Alabama, Auburn, etc. play by different recruiting rules than 99% of the rest of the nation b/c they have no morals. It is reason #1 why those teams are so ridiculously loaded every year and is the biggest problem with college football today. Once we get rid of oversigning and once we get a playoff we'll have fixed the most ******** parts of college ball.
Something else that SEC teams do is they abuse the medical scholarship. Alabama did this with Charlie Kirschman (a high school teammate of Tim Tebow). He has an injury. Not minor, but nothing too serious. He said he easily could have played again for Alabama. Instead, Nick Saban took away his athletic scholarship and gave him a medical scholarship, freeing up another scholarship for a player who would contribute more.
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No one can say 'for certain' but it's pretty evident that Bama and LSU were just on a different level than everyone else this year.
Bumping this, but this is what it boils down to. The rest of it is just noise. If there was a team that could legitimately hang with Bama and LSU, it would be a different story....but putting Oklahoma State on a pedestal is disingenuous. LSU played the toughest schedule in the country this year and earned their way to that game, regardless of their quarterback situation.

Watching these two teams play this year, it was pretty clear this was the class of college football. Do I like the fact that they came from the same conference? Absolutely not. It's nowhere near as exciting as it could be with more team realistically involved. That doesn't mean we should go ahead and give out participation awards. Oklahoma State lost to a lousy Iowa State team...and would have lost to a hobbled Stanford team if not for kickers.

Don't get me wrong; I would very much prefer there to be a better system. But until then, I can live with this. The BCS has done a pretty good job of figuring out who the two best teams in the country are and having them play each other. Until someone someone can find a way to get something better implemented, I'm alright with this.
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Jordan Jefferson was garbage. He's been garbage his entire career at LSU, so it's not like this came as a shock. Les Miles has stuck with him because of this notion that he's got tantalizing upside and it cost him. Now, that's not to claim that LSU would've won with Jarrett Lee, but it's inarguable that the plug should have been pulled on Jefferson last night. Lee was better equipped to face that suffocating defense and Miles refused to evolve with game situations.

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Jefferson was terrible and i expected him to be. It sorted of reminded me of the days when teams like Oklahoma would kill everyone in the big-8 (whatever it was back then) by running the wishbone then go to the Orange Bowl and get embarrassed by the Miami hurricanes. Once you matched up with them athletically the gimics were gone and talent took over.
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I'm still shocked they didn't pull him. Lee was terrible up until this year, but LSU was a better looking and less limited team with him in there early in the season. They should have pulled him after that shovel pass. It was pretty clear at that point that it wasn't going to get any better. Putting Lee in would have been a spark at the very least. That's something they needed desperately last night.


That was all good stuff last night for Gunner Kiel though. If this is the best LSU has at quarterback currently, I don't see how he doesn't come in and start right away.
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I'm still shocked they didn't pull him. Lee was terrible up until this year, but LSU was a better looking and less limited team with him in there early in the season. They should have pulled him after that shovel pass. It was pretty clear at that point that it wasn't going to get any better. Putting Lee in would have been a spark at the very least. That's something they needed desperately last night.


That was all good stuff last night for Gunner Kiel though. If this is the best LSU has at quarterback currently, I don't see how he doesn't come in and start right away.
Especially when it became clear neither Jefferson or the running game were going to move it on the ground. Lee is no prize but they could have tried to get the ball down the field. What a slap in the face to Lee to not get in the game with the performance that was going on out there.
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I'm still shocked they didn't pull him. Lee was terrible up until this year, but LSU was a better looking and less limited team with him in there early in the season. They should have pulled him after that shovel pass. It was pretty clear at that point that it wasn't going to get any better. Putting Lee in would have been a spark at the very least. That's something they needed desperately last night.


That was all good stuff last night for Gunner Kiel though. If this is the best LSU has at quarterback currently, I don't see how he doesn't come in and start right away.
I think Kiel & Mettenberger will battle it out with Stephen Rivers at 3rd string.
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so your qb can't run an option, can't pass and repeatedly proves that he's utterly incapable of doing anything, and you just keep putting him back in knowing you're going to lose because of him? i can't imagine how lee could've possibly done *worse* than the single worst qb performance i've ever seen in a bowl game.
I think what makes that even more of an issue is LSU could not run the football therefore you would try to go downfield with the ball and Lee gives you the better chance to do that. Besides it didnt have to be an all or nothing situation, put Lee in for a couple of series early in the second half and if he doesnt move the team then go back to the other guy, if that's your preferance.
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No one can say 'for certain' but it's pretty evident that Bama and LSU were just on a different level than everyone else this year.
Here's the problem though. This is all based on perception. You don't hand people title shots based off perception.

For example, Green Bay was clearly the best team in the NFL this past year, should they be barred from having to play in the playoffs?

The only way for there to be no left no doubt is a playoff in some variation.
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I also don't buy the whole, the regular season is a playoff argument either. You then make an extremely stringent criteria for teams to make the NCg. You're asking 115? teams to essentially be perfect in all aspects (going undefeated) in order to have a shot at the championship.

Furthermore, that would never work because the playing field isn't leveled unless all teams have a similar strength of schedule.
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I also don't buy the whole, the regular season is a playoff argument either. You then make an extremely stringent criteria for teams to make the NCg. You're asking 115? teams to essentially be perfect in all aspects (going undefeated) in order to have a shot at the championship.
Yes. What's wrong with that?

Alabama was the exception to the rule of mine that a team should have to have won its conference championship to be eligible for the national championship, though. The only competitive game either of these teams played all year was against each other.
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The end result is going to be way more cupcake scheduling though. Oregon's already started it. They play Arkansas State, Fresno State, Tennessee Tech as out of conference opponents next year.
What are you talking about, Oregon starting it?

Have you ever looked at the OOC schedules of SEC teams? lol.
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What are you talking about, Oregon starting it?

Have you ever looked at the OOC schedules of SEC teams? lol.
But......but they have to play schedules so hard in the conference season. LOL, need a sarcasm smilie here. Ur absolutely right. At least it seems like Bama puts a Big Ten school on their schedule and LSU put together a tough one. But yeah, didn't Alabama have 2 FCS schools, a bad FBS, and Penn State, right? And Bama does have Michigan next year.
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What are you talking about, Oregon starting it?

Have you ever looked at the OOC schedules of SEC teams? lol.
Seriously, Oregon played an SEC team the last two seasons, Boise State and Purdue in 2009, Purdue in 2008, and Michigan in 2007. There are a ton of schools that play crappy out of conference schedules, but Oregon certainly isn't one of them.
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Seriously, Oregon played an SEC team the last two seasons, Boise State and Purdue in 2009, Purdue in 2008, and Michigan in 2007. There are a ton of schools that play crappy out of conference schedules, but Oregon certainly isn't one of them.
Yeah, the only reason Oregon's OOC schedule for the upcoming year is so weak is because the OOC teams are ducking out from playing UO. No pun intended
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Lol at Les Miles. Might have been the most poorly coached offensive performance I've seen ever.

I don't think Lee would have helped anyway, it seems that Miles was content with trying to throw screens and short passes.

And LOL at people still getting mad at the SEC for being better than their ****** conference.
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I see the BCS is meeting today to change its format after the TV results showed a drop of 14% in viewers for the championship game.

Possibly a playoff is looming or a team like Alabama which didn't win its conference or even play in its conference championship game, will be automatically eliminated in the future.

After all, nobody outside the SEC believes Alabama even deserved to be in the game, having a month to prepare for LSU since their schedule ended far earlier than LSU. IMO, you give Saban a month to prepare for a game with the motivation of having lost the first game and LSU had little chance to win the game.
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What are you talking about, Oregon starting it?

Have you ever looked at the OOC schedules of SEC teams? lol.
Ha! I meant non SEC teams LOL.
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