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Old 01-10-2012, 06:59 PM    (permalink
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And ABC has a deal with the Pac-12. ESPN is owned by ABC. Why no Pac-12 bias?
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Not the only place but the place that does it the most. Don't be naive.
Yeah right?

We have a right to be upset about the ESPN monopoly and the SEC Bias that's attached to it. Take a look at ESPN College Football recruiting while your at it. Biggest piece of east coast bs out there.
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Not the only place but the place that does it the most. Don't be naive.
And you know this how? Or are we just making up things that can't be proven so we have a reason to *****?
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Yea, blame it all on ESPN. Not like the SEC isn't consistently winning National Championships and winning bowl games though. I'm sure it's purely made up more then anything.
I blame it on the game being ON ESPN. I don't have cable, so I streamed it. Streaming doesn't count for ratings.
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Who thinks espn didn't have a hand in Big East teams leaving for ACC?

Big East didn't want to make a deal with ESPN, till a year later. espn took care of them...like they are the mafia.
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Not the only place but the place that does it the most. Don't be naive.
It's actually funny that you are accusing the SEC of being the worst cheat, the team they had that was being investigated got cleared(somehow?) whilst the PAC 12 team is just getting off probation, the ACC has half its teams under investigation, 2 are serious death sentence candidates(if you believe even 25% of the accusations), the Big 10 just got smoked with Michigan and now OSU and then you have Penn St to come which may be the single worst atrocity yet when all is said and done.

Right now the SEC is actually looking like one of the cleaner conferences(again, somehow?) or perhaps more insultingly to the rest, they are just smarter at it?

The SEC has proven and earned it's reputation for being the best conference, there is just no tangible evidence to support any other conference. The 3rd best team in the SEC curb stomped the 2nd best team in the Big 12 and the Big 12 stomped all the other conferences.

Stanford and Oklahoma State were on the same level as Arkansas when it is all said and done.

I'm not even an SEC fan, they are close to my least favourite conference along with the Big 12, but they are dominant, they are playing the best football, they are getting the most talent, they have the best coaches. Until someone knocks them off, they deserve the most publicity because they've earned it on the field.
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Yeah, I agree. Everywhere except one position. Those defensive linemen and corners are studs.

This entire ESPN has an agenda to push the SEC thing is ridiculous. You guys are better than that. Entirely better than that. It's more in ESPN's best interests to push conferences like the ACC and Big Ten even, if you want to get into media markets and advertising dollars.



That's the reality of it. Anything else is just pure, unadulterated(and despite verbose attempts to justify it) butthurt.

...and this is coming from someone who has zero interest in the SEC being a college football power. I would prefer for things to be divided differently as well. But that's not the reality of it.
The reality is that ESPN has a vested interest in seeing that the BTN fails. If you don't see that, then you are completely naive. They are not an unbiased source of information. They are an entertainment network that will fight tooth and nail to maintain their dominance of college sports, particularly football.

The BTN brings in tens of millions of dollars per school per year. And those are for second and third tier football games along with basketball and a bunch of other sports. The B1G has proven that a power conference can run their own network. ESPN does not want the other conferences to do that and have overpaid to do so. Even then, they couldn't prevent the Pac12 from starting their own.

Once the first tier contracts for the B1G come up in 2016, NBC and Fox come into the picture. The B1G is partnering with the Pac12 to have cross conference games in all sports. Football starts in 2017. Right when the new B1G television contract comes up. That is no coincidence.

Yes, there are plenty of butthurt people who are tired getting their arses whooped by the SEC. They are the superior conference.

What I don't get is why people get all blustery when people question the "why". The "why" is two-fold: Better players and better coaches.

You pay for better coaches and each school across the nation has that opportunity. Most big time programs have better coaches.

To get better players, you need a big time program. The big time programs do that. Most big time programs can get great players and will let the dumb ones slide in, and boosters will pay the kids under the table. This happens everywhere.

What is the difference between SEC West teams and the rest of CFB? They oversign 20 more players over a five year period than a school in any other conference.

If you can force out the crappy players and replace them with good prospects, you are stacking your team with a lot more quality depth.

Like I said, earlier, if you combine that depth with the best coach in the land, it's mighty powerful stuff.

The rest of CFB needs to either adopt it or banish it. I don't care which. The field would even out a bit.

And all the likes of Turdstreit can say is "EHS EE SEE SPEEDZ" and "Swagger!" Not even a bit of analysis or research into what makes the SEC West tick.
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I'm a little confused by something here....why would ESPN have such a vested interest in SEC football when CBS owns the television rights to the SEC?
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It's actually funny that you are accusing the SEC of being the worst cheat, the team they had that was being investigated got cleared(somehow?) whilst the PAC 12 team is just getting off probation, the ACC has half its teams under investigation, 2 are serious death sentence candidates(if you believe even 25% of the accusations), the Big 10 just got smoked with Michigan and now OSU and then you have Penn St to come which may be the single worst atrocity yet when all is said and done.

Right now the SEC is actually looking like one of the cleaner conferences(again, somehow?) or perhaps more insultingly to the rest, they are just smarter at it?

The SEC has proven and earned it's reputation for being the best conference, there is just no tangible evidence to support any other conference. The 3rd best team in the SEC curb stomped the 2nd best team in the Big 12 and the Big 12 stomped all the other conferences.

Stanford and Oklahoma State were on the same level as Arkansas when it is all said and done.
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And regarding the 3rd best SEC team curb stomping the 2nd best big 12 team. Well the SEC east team also lost to the third best Big Ten team so what does that say?

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I don't really care about this at all, but the SEC as a whole is on a completely different level in terms of "cheating" or being "dirty". Every school cheats. Every school goes around the rules. SEC makes in an art. That has nothing to do with anything, the SEC is by far the best conference, it's just a fact.
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Why was this the lowest rated BCS championship game ever? It's because the rest of the country is sick of the hyperbole.

All we see on ESPN week in and week out is rah rah SEC, and a bunch of doofuses chanting SEC (because their teams were losers and they decided to rally behind a rival team).

LSU and Bama were in a class of their own a very bad year for CFB.

Year in and year out the past six seasons has shown the SEC produces a great team or two every year. Particularly the SEC West, where oversigning is rampant. Florida did it with a great coach that looked the other way when his players got into trouble.

I don't like oversigning. You couple that with the greatest college coach in the land in Saban, and it's deadly.

Most conferences forbid it. Most SEC East colleges forbid it. It's a proven advantage and it's an ethically poor one.

If teams weren't allowed to oversign, the SEC would still be the best conference, but there wouldn't be such a dominant team or two every year. It's simple math.

So I don't know if jealous is the word, but bitter, yes. ESPN hypes the **** out of the SEC (despite how crappy the conference was this year) and does nothing to investigate schools as they have too big of a business relationship.

It sucks. I hope NBC or Fox can put a big dent in their stranglehold on CFB.

I don't even hate the SEC. I just hate the ridiculously imbalanced coverage and WWE style over the top hype that is poured into their productions on ESPN and CBS.
All bowl games were down on the DP show he said that bowls were down 30% this season prior to the NC. Why do you think the BCS people are meeting today?
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And ABC has a deal with the Pac-12. ESPN is owned by ABC. Why no Pac-12 bias?
Funny that this post gets ignored and also SEC coverage is on CBS
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Do you think now ESPN will be pumping for the playoff vs BCS now that they created the snooze fest that is the SEC hype.
The SEC wanted playoffs everyone else rejected minus the ACC(I think). Also the all bowl game rating were down.
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The SEC wanted playoffs everyone else rejected minus the ACC(I think). Also the all bowl game rating were down.
not to antagonize but can i see a link please?
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The best way to get people to stop slobbing over the SEC is to get into the NC and beat them. When one conference routinely mops the floor with other conference's teams in the NC game, it deserves to get that kind of hype, and it deserves the benefit of the doubt if one of it's teams gets its only loss by a FG in OT against a team that didn't lose to anybody. If OK State wanted a chance at LSU, it would have been as easy as beating Iowa State.
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Remember, it was in 2008 -- two years before the start of the current BCS contract -- that SEC commissioner Mike Slive and ACC commissioner John Swofford attempted to sell their colleagues on a four-team tourney. The Big Ten, Big East, Big 12 and Pac-10 shot it down that year, and now all those leagues find themselves beneath the SEC's boot on the field.
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Funny that this post gets ignored and also SEC coverage is on CBS
True, but ESPN carries their 2nd and 3rd tier games. And most of their basketball games.

The BigTen carries most of their own 2nd and 3rd tier games.

It's a big chunk of change that ESPN spent.
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The only unfair advantage the SEC has is that the players in their talent pool are better at football. Lets stop trying to make this into something it isn't.
Last I looked, the SEC graduation rate for its football players, is close to 5% less than the other major conferences. Now I know there are some good academic institutions in the SEC but overall, they are allowing a lower class student into their conference to play football, plus allowing over recruiting.
That is 2 major advantages the SEC has over its rivals so it isn't an even playing field.
However, the major difference between the SEC and its rivals isn't just talent, it is very much their superior HC's. Texas and Oklahoma's HC's just aren't up to the SEC standard, the Big 10 added Urben Myer from the SEC to upgrade their program but the other Big 10 HC's really haven't proved a whole lot nationally. The Pac 12 has 1 solid HC and a bunch of others who may prove to be alright but aren't there just yet.
The ACC and the Big East have a long way to go to bring their HC's up to snuff.
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Last I looked, the SEC graduation rate for its football players, is close to 5% less than the other major conferences.
In their defense I'd imagine they have far more players leave early for the NFL which would at least partially explain that.
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Also, calling ESPN biased for the SEC over teams like USC is laughable. You guys must have forgot that segment they did about USC leading up to the championship game with Texas, so I'll recap:

It was basically a countdown, where they took the greatest teams in College Football history, and talked about how badly USC would mow them down. I'm pretty sure they had past USC teams as the best teams of all time, so they basically just sucked USC **** for weeks.

They are on the SEC, because they are dominating, but they have NEVER loved any SEC team the way they loved USC when they were actually contending.

Even in the few years before the Reggie Bush aftermath set in, USC was perennially ranked higher than they should be, and would always blow it against a mediocre team, and would still be talked about as getting into the title game.
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I'm a little confused by something here....why would ESPN have such a vested interest in SEC football when CBS owns the television rights to the SEC?
ESPN has the cable rights. Which basically means they get the second tier games. The CBS deal is worth far more and is just for football, the ESPN deal is for college basketball as well.

ESPN also has their hands in the Pac 12, The Longhorn Network, and they're trying to get a deal done for similar money that they paid for the SEC to the ACC(2B for the SEC, 1.86 for the ACC).

So really, it's in ESPN's agenda to sell and push college football in general, with a focus on those conferences. You guys are acting like they're putting their money in just one place. That's just not the reality of it.


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The best way to get people to stop slobbing over the SEC is to get into the NC and beat them. When one conference routinely mops the floor with other conference's teams in the NC game, it deserves to get that kind of hype, and it deserves the benefit of the doubt if one of it's teams gets its only loss by a FG in OT against a team that didn't lose to anybody. If OK State wanted a chance at LSU, it would have been as easy as beating Iowa State.
There is that. But nope, it's a giant conspiracy to circle jerk the South by the East Coast media, because those two parties are totally in love with each other and everything.
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ahh good find. I would be interested in seeing the logistics behind their proposed plan though, there has to be a reason 4 different conferences turned the idea down.
I've always felt the Pac-10 and Big-10 voted it down at the time because both teams had one superpower in absolute **** conferences (USC and Ohio State) and wanted the clearest, easiest path to Rose Bowl and National Championship game payouts. :shrug:

Really, though, I remember it mostly being those two conferences that pitched a huge fit over it because the Rose Bowl was so "special."
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Also, calling ESPN biased for the SEC over teams like USC is laughable. You guys must have forgot that segment they did about USC leading up to the championship game with Texas, so I'll recap:

It was basically a countdown, where they took the greatest teams in College Football history, and talked about how badly USC would mow them down. I'm pretty sure they had past USC teams as the best teams of all time, so they basically just sucked USC **** for weeks.

They are on the SEC, because they are dominating, but they have NEVER loved any SEC team the way they loved USC when they were actually contending.

Even in the few years before the Reggie Bush aftermath set in, USC was perennially ranked higher than they should be, and would always blow it against a mediocre team, and would still be talked about as getting into the title game.
Ugh, ESPN's USC homerism was the absolute ******* worst. I wanted to shoot Mark May in the face every single day that he talked because I couldnt ever understand him with Pete Carroll's dick hanging out of his mouth.
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