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Old 01-16-2012, 05:35 PM    (permalink
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Yeah, I will text him.

Seahawks looking to move down if anyone is willing. If not, I'll pick after vidae.
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Old 01-16-2012, 05:41 PM    (permalink
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I'm here. Reiff, Richardson and DeCastro are gone so I'm going to be a few minutes. The pick will be up shortly.

edit: If anyone is interested in moving up to 11 now is the time.
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Old 01-16-2012, 05:45 PM    (permalink
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Ugh, overrated Richardson...you don't take first round running backs in this day and age. You'll help your team more by taking literally any other non K/P position and then drafting a RB in the 2nd or 3rd round if you need one.

The drop in NFL level production between a 1st round RB and what you can get in the 2nd/3rd (or even later) rounds is significantly less steep than the drop in any other position.

It's a waste of a draft pick to take a RB that high.
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Old 01-16-2012, 05:52 PM    (permalink
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I'd normally agree with you but Richardson is elite. Not many RBs get to that level, but he did. He's worth a high first imo.
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Old 01-16-2012, 05:55 PM    (permalink
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I'd normally agree with you but Richardson is elite. Not many RBs get to that level, but he did. He's worth a high first imo.
Yeah, and look at Peterson. One blow to the knee and he may never be elite again.

No RB, anywhere, is worth a high first anymore. Period. Too much investment into a position that takes that level of abuse and suffers relatively little drop off between the highly drafted guys and 2nd/3rd/later round picks.

Think of it this way: Do take Adrian Peterson, or do you take someone else with the first round pick and then take Ray Rice? Or MJD? Or Matt Forte?

Obviously the latter. Just hang back if you need a RB and take one a little later after you take literally any other position with the first.
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Cardinals looking to trade down still, probably only cost you a 3rd
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Yeah, and look at Peterson. One blow to the knee and he may never be elite again.

No RB, anywhere, is worth a high first anymore. Period. Too much investment into a position that takes that level of abuse and suffers relatively little drop off between the highly drafted guys and 2nd/3rd/later round picks.

Think of it this way: Do take Adrian Peterson, or do you take someone else with the first round pick and then take Ray Rice? Or MJD? Or Matt Forte?

Obviously the latter. Just hang back if you need a RB and take one a little later after you take literally any other position with the first.
Obviously everyone would take the second option because you're giving us the option for two players. With the Adrian Peterson choice you only give us one choice. And who's to say the second round player at another position can't be a stud? It's just personal preference. For every stud runningback you name from the second round, I can name 3 that didn't do jack.
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Old 01-16-2012, 06:15 PM    (permalink
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Obviously everyone would take the second option because you're giving us the option for two players. With the Adrian Peterson choice you only give us one choice. And who's to say the second round player at another position can't be a stud? It's just personal preference. For every stud runningback you name from the second round, I can name 3 that didn't do jack.
There's a far greater chance that, at another position, the drop off is going to be far greater.

Alright, let's say your team needs a RB and a S as the biggest needs. Do you take Peterson and a 2nd round safety, like last year Rahim Moore went in the 2nd.

Or do you take a high first round safety, like an Eric Berry or Earl Thomas and then take one of those RBs I mentioned before.

There's just such a drop off any any other position from high first round to the 2nd round and there isn't with RB. I mean, right now, more of the best RBs in the league WEREN'T first round picks than were...you can't say that about any other position.
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anybody hit up shylo yet? We had a nice little run going there and I see that both Derza and Hurricanes 25 are both on and they pick for the Jets
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There's a far greater chance that, at another position, the drop off is going to be far greater.

Alright, let's say your team needs a RB and a S as the biggest needs. Do you take Peterson and a 2nd round safety, like last year Rahim Moore went in the 2nd.

Or do you take a high first round safety, like an Eric Berry or Earl Thomas and then take one of those RBs I mentioned before.

There's just such a drop off any any other position from high first round to the 2nd round and there isn't with RB. I mean, right now, more of the best RBs in the league WEREN'T first round picks than were...you can't say that about any other position.
If you think that Trent Richardson is going to put up AP numbers then he is absolutely worth a top 10 pick. Of course you are going to get good backs in later rounds/undrafted, but for every Arian Foster there is eight thousand Kregg Lumpkins.
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While I don't like the pick for the Rams I do truly believe that Richardson is worth a top 10 pick, and generally I wouldn't take a RB in the 1st round
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Shylo PMed me his number at one point but I accidentally deleted the message while I was trying to make room in case people sent me trade requests or boards. If anyone else has it, please text him.

I ended up falling asleep for a little bit and I'm heading out, but Hines is going to send me a text if anything comes up. Please relay any trade requests, etc. to him tonight and he'll run them by me. I've also left any big boards with him.
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Shylo PMed me his number at one point but I accidentally deleted the message while I was trying to make room in case people sent me trade requests or boards. If anyone else has it, please text him.

I ended up falling asleep for a little bit and I'm heading out, but Hines is going to send me a text if anything comes up. Please relay any trade requests, etc. to him tonight and he'll run them by me. I've also left any big boards with him.
Pick is in...sorry for the delay but I would have been selected if you shot me a txt...going to PM you my number again
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Nice up to pick 17!!! Solid late night of drafting
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I'm inclined to agree with Baron. Aside from the fact that it is the position with probably the lowest shelf life for players, the drop off at the back position is considerably less than the drop off at any position. While not every 2nd/3rd rounder is going to be MJD/Ray Rice/Matt Forte, there is a good chance they will be more than serviceable backs. Also even if they stay healthy the bust rate or at least the rate that these guys don't turn into elite players I'd expect would be one of the highest in the league. I mean I think Richardson can be really successful but I don't see him having as big of an impact as some of the other guys you could get in the mid-late first much less the top 10. He's not exactly the freshest back out there and his running style + his injury history scares me for the future.

Also the Broncos might be willing to trade out of the first. So if anyone is interested hit me up.
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Eh. I'll pick within the next 10 minutes or so. Send all trade up offers fast and furious. I may trade #21 for a player, but I am only willing to turn this one into more picks.
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The need wasn't huge, but Wright was one of the few guys on the board that has a very good chance of being a difference maker in the NFL. I don't think he'll make it out of the top 15 when all is said in done. In Cincinnati, he'll replace FA Jerome Simpson as the #2 receiver and be given a chance at returning both kickoffs and punts.
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As much as I like Wright, I feel like Floyd would have been a better compliment to A.J.
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Wow that was fast. I'll give it another 5-10 minutes to think about my pick. Hurry up and send in those trade offers.
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Who do we send the trade offers to right now? Im consumating a deal with Cinci.
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Old 01-16-2012, 10:13 PM    (permalink
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Well, it would have been Matthew but he headed out a little while back. I'd say send it to him and include who you want. That way, whenever he gets back, he can check the trade and make the pick.
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MJ said to PM Hines, so that's what I just did. #21 pick should soon belong to San Fran.
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I really don't want to slow things up guys but chitown and I have been in negotiations for this pick for what seems like hours
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