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Old 01-15-2012, 10:40 PM    (permalink
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I think there is something wrong with the whole well whoever has more rings is the better player. It's hard to compare because Eli has always had a much better team. As far as clutchness goes, I'm not even sure of that anymore. My big problem is that Peyton has to shoulder the burden for the whole season and every whole playoff game. He didn't have amazing running games or amazing defenses to take the pressure off or make up for his poor play generally. I'd also say that while he has had some great receivers, his receivers never really shouldered the burden and made up for poor play with that many incredible plays. Yes without a doubt Eli has gotten it done in crunch time, but he has not had to shoulder the burden like Peyton. I cannot help but wonder what would happen if you gave Peyton Manning the teams that Eli has played on, a team where he wasn't relied upon so much. I think there is a good chance if that happened he would be just as good if not better than Eli in the clutch. Football is a team sport, the only thing a win or a lose tells us is which team was better, not necessarily who is the better QB.

That being said I think Eli really backed up his statement from the summer. He's an elite QB, and I'd put him right behind Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers in terms of QBs today.
LOL you have rodgers in front of ben?? wow..... that choke artist is not in the top 5.... easy to play that cupcake schedule, we saw what happens when he plays a team where he has to match them score for score.... he fails!! Matt Flynn > Faggy Rodgers.
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Let's not get caught up in the moment. Eli is a top 5 qb in the league right now. Peyton is a top 5 qb of all time.

Big difference.

I love Eli. But he has a long way to go before he's Peyton.
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LOL you have rodgers in front of ben?? wow..... that choke artist is not in the top 5.... easy to play that cupcake schedule, we saw what happens when he plays a team where he has to match them score for score.... he fails!! Matt Flynn > Faggy Rodgers.
LOL, great comedy. I will give you Romo straight up for Rodgers and Flynn can be your starter with Romo your backup.
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Let's not get caught up in the moment. Eli is a top 5 qb in the league right now. Peyton is a top 5 qb of all time.

Big difference.

I love Eli. But he has a long way to go before he's Peyton.
Pretty much, Eli might be on Peyton's level right now, and after the injury Eli may even be the better QB going forward, but Peyton's been given the opportunity to lead and carry his team for such a long time and done so at such a remarkable level that Eli just doesn't match up. Now if Eli can add a ring or two while making this season's performance the norm, then one day his resume will compare admirably to his brother's, but for now and the foreseeable future Eli's legacy just doesn't match big brother's.
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LOL, great comedy. I will give you Romo straight up for Rodgers and Flynn can be your starter with Romo your backup.
i never said romo was better dufus....
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He's not as good, but with so many QB's approaching that discussion all time its time to start comparing them differently.

He might be the calmest/most collected QB in the league. He has absolutely no fear about going onto the road and playing a great team. He does some dumb ass things sometimes, sometimes for an entire season. But he obviously prepares very well and is an excellent leader.
What's more un-nerving: Playing on the road (Foxborough, Lambeau, etc) or playing at home with NY basically watching? If you make a mistake, you're done.
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What's more un-nerving: Playing on the road (Foxborough, Lambeau, etc) or playing at home with NY basically watching? If you make a mistake, you're done.
That's part of why I love Eli, NY is a horrible place to be an athlete, but he's just perfect for it.
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I, obviously, still think Peyton is and will be better career wise than Eli. However, if Eli adds a ring or two more to his collection, I think he without a doubt is a Hall of Famer like his big bro.
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I, obviously, still think Peyton is and will be better career wise than Eli. However, if Eli adds a ring or two more to his collection, I think he without a doubt is a Hall of Famer like his big bro.
I agree, if Eli can add even another ring, I'd put him ahead of his brother based on playoff performance. Stat wise Peyton is king but when you add in playoff performance Eli surpasses him if he can win at least another Super Bowl.
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I agree, if Eli can add even another ring, I'd put him ahead of his brother based on playoff performance. Stat wise Peyton is king but when you add in playoff performance Eli surpasses him if he can win at least another Super Bowl.
Here's where you run into the problem where Eli's environment cuts both ways. Yes he doesn't get the opportunity to put up regular season stats the way his brother does, but he also doesn't need to do as much during the course of the season and so has more in the tank for the playoffs and clutch moments. This season is the closest we'll ever get to knowing whether Eli would be able to match Peyton's regular season performance with that greater responsibility and we won't know whether he'd be able to carry his team in the playoffs as well after carrying such a weak team all season. If Eli wins a ring this year your argument has merit because this season Eli has carried the giants the way his brother has carried the colts for years, but even this season it was the D finally getting it's **** together that catapulted the giants into the playoffs and onto this current run.
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Here's where you run into the problem where Eli's environment cuts both ways. Yes he doesn't get the opportunity to put up regular season stats the way his brother does, but he also doesn't need to do as much during the course of the season and so has more in the tank for the playoffs and clutch moments. This season is the closest we'll ever get to knowing whether Eli would be able to match Peyton's regular season performance with that greater responsibility and we won't know whether he'd be able to carry his team in the playoffs as well after carrying such a weak team all season. If Eli wins a ring this year your argument has merit because this season Eli has carried the giants the way his brother has carried the colts for years, but even this season it was the D finally getting it's **** together that catapulted the giants into the playoffs and onto this current run.
reminds me a lot of the colts' 07 super bowl win. peyton carried the team all year, then the D came alive late thanks to injured guys coming back and they actually were able to get it done in the playoffs (minus vs NE in the first half).
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reminds me a lot of the colts' 07 super bowl win. peyton carried the team all year, then the D came alive late thanks to injured guys coming back and they actually were able to get it done in the playoffs (minus vs NE in the first half).
Except Peyton was kind of poor during the playoffs. Poor for him at least.
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Eli has the ability to play to the level of his brother. The difference is Peyton plays on that level every week.
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Eli has the ability to play to the level of his brother. The difference is Peyton plays on that level every week.
Eli has the ability to play the way Peyton does at his best in the biggest moments. That's something Peyton has struggled with.
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Eli has the ability to play to the level of his brother. The difference is Peyton plays on that level every week.
Don't forget Manning plays in perfect conditions half of the time every single year. Manning plays half of his games in windy Jersey.
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A simple question deserves a simple answer. No. It isn't even close. Peyton Manning is perhaps the greatest QB of all time; Eli has proven to be elite this season, but that is it.

On the note of Superbowls, Tom Brady is a far better QB now than when he was winning Super Bowls, and Eli is far better now than when he won his Superbowl. A Superbowl is a proof of success for the team, but is far less reliable for any specific player.
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What does Eli have to do get into Canton??
I think five more seasons of this level of play and another SB gets him there.
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On the note of Superbowls, Tom Brady is a far better QB now than when he was winning Super Bowls, and Eli is far better now than when he won his Superbowl. A Superbowl is a proof of success for the team, but is far less reliable for any specific player.

I think a lot of people miss this point.
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Eli's regular season was a bit of an outlier.

Victor Cruz had 4 plays of 60+ yards. 319 yards with just 4 catches.

Nicks had 3 of his own. And Beckum with 1.

In 2010 Peyton had 1 60+ in 2010.

Eli QB Rating was 1.0 higher this year.
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So when Packers' fans supported Brett Favre, we would get bashed by the fact Favre had thrown a ton of INT's. Now Eli has the same problem. His TD/INT ratio is 185/129. The other difference is, has Eli ever led his team. In his first few seasons, it was the run game with Tki that lead the team.
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So when Packers' fans supported Brett Favre, we would get bashed by the fact Favre had thrown a ton of INT's. Now Eli has the same problem. His TD/INT ratio is 185/129. The other difference is, has Eli ever led his team. In his first few seasons, it was the run game with Tki that lead the team.
Are you serious?
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A simple question deserves a simple answer. No. It isn't even close. Peyton Manning is perhaps the greatest QB of all time; Eli has proven to be elite this season, but that is it.

On the note of Superbowls, Tom Brady is a far better QB now than when he was winning Super Bowls, and Eli is far better now than when he won his Superbowl. A Superbowl is a proof of success for the team, but is far less reliable for any specific player.
Not much more needs to be said. I'll only add that Peyton has been a perennial threat throughout his career and truly the model of consistency. Eli, much like the giants, is infamous for being hot and cold. Even this current season he has yet to shake that label. And dont knock consistency as an important quality for a qb. Recently John elway said while talking about tebow "It's just a matter of getting down to where it's consistent, and that's the difference between good quarterbacks and great quarterbacks". Clearly the ability to perform at a high level, for more than one game, for more than one season, for the duration of a career, is increasingly difficult. But good for Eli, he without doubt made Giant strides this year. All he needs to do now is stay there
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Eli's regular season was a bit of an outlier.

Victor Cruz had 4 plays of 60+ yards. 319 yards with just 4 catches.

Nicks had 3 of his own. And Beckum with 1.

In 2010 Peyton had 1 60+ in 2010.

Eli QB Rating was 1.0 higher this year.
2010 Peyton > 2011 Eli. Peyton carried the worst team in the league kicking and screaming to a 10-6 record and set them up for a playoff win. The Giants this year are not a great team by any means but without Eli they would still destroy the Colts without Peyton.
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2010 Peyton > 2011 Eli. Peyton carried the worst team in the league kicking and screaming to a 10-6 record and set them up for a playoff win. The Giants this year are not a great team by any means but without Eli they would still destroy the Colts without Peyton.
I don't see anyway this team wins more than 2 or at best 3 games without Eli.
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