Top of the 2009 Draft...Looking Ugly - Page 2

BeerBaron · 01-18-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by keylime_5

There was so much talent found in the from pick 13 - 32 in 2009. What a great year to trade down ;)

Or trade for Jay Cutler, as the case may be...

That first year with all the INTs sucked, but considering the protection he gets, his receivers, and his coordinators (Joe Montana would struggle to look good with Ron Turner and Mike Martz,) the success he has had has been nothing short of astonishing

holt_bruce81 · 01-18-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Complex

Why did he get benched twice this season? he only played like 8 games this season and got benched twice.I guess he got benched for being awesome.

He was benched because Spags has a man crush on Adam Goldberg, and Jason Smith suffers from Alex Barron Syndrome. Sometimes he needs an ass kicking.

Doesn't help that the Rams Offensive Line coach can't coach up anyone. Just look at Rodger Saffold, man has all the tools to be a franchise Left Tackle, but everyone talks about him moving to Right Tackle, Jason Smith moving to Guard and the Rams selecting Matt Kalil. Like Moving from Left Tackle to Right Tackle is some easy transition. And Smith to Guard is just Laughable, he has two concussions in two years, imagine him inside against 300+ pound Tackles, his head might fall off.

BeerBaron · 01-18-2012, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by holt_bruce81

He was benched because Spags has a man crush on Adam Goldberg, and Jason Smith suffers from Alex Barron Syndrome. Sometimes he needs an ass kicking.

Doesn't help that the Rams Offensive Line coach can't coach up anyone. Just look at Rodger Saffold, man has all the tools to be a franchise Left Tackle, but everyone talks about him moving to Right Tackle, Jason Smith moving to Guard and the Rams selecting Matt Kalil. Like Moving from Left Tackle to Right Tackle is some easy transition. And Smith to Guard is just Laughable, he has two concussions in two years, imagine him inside against 300+ pound Tackles, his head might fall off.

You absolutely disqualified any logical point you may have been trying to make about Smith not being terrible.

keylime_5 · 01-18-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Or trade for Jay Cutler, as the case may be...

That first year with all the INTs sucked, but considering the protection he gets, his receivers, and his coordinators (Joe Montana would struggle to look good with Ron Turner and Mike Martz,) the success he has had has been nothing short of astonishing

any year you can trade picks to Josh McDaniels for a player is a good day.

holt_bruce81 · 01-18-2012, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

You absolutely disqualified any logical point you may have been trying to make about Smith not being terrible.

Point I was trying to make, I would like to see how these guys do with a real coaching staff. Not a Kermit the Frog "oh nice try buddy, you can do it!" coaching staff.

scottyboy · 01-18-2012, 12:23 PM

the bottom of that 1st round is just so much better than the top, jeebus.

and that 2nd round isn't exactly filled with studs either...

however, 5 rutgers players being drafted make it worthwhile

BeerBaron · 01-18-2012, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by holt_bruce81

Point I was trying to make, I would like to see how these guys do with a real coaching staff. Not a Kermit the Frog "oh nice try buddy, you can do it!" coaching staff.

I don't know if you consider the Dallas coaching staff any better (doubtful,) but Barron was also quite terrible there.

If a guy fails once, it may be because of coaching. Twice...he's probably a lousy player.

DraftSavant · 01-18-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

Coming into the year, I was absolutely certain that Arian Foster was going to be a ZBS flavour of the week and Ben Tate would have 50% of the carries by midseason. Holy hell was I ever wrong. I'll gladly eat crow if I was wrong about a player, and Arian Foster is one guy I was most definitely wrong about. He runs as hard as anyone in the NFL right now, and that includes AP and MJD, the guys I'd consider the #1 and #2 RBs in the NFL, respectively. Foster would battle Ray Rice for the #3 spot though, most definitely.

Want to hear something crazy though? Ben Tate rushed for 942 yards on 175 carries this year. As a backup.

The first time I saw Ben Tate play at Auburn, I knew he was destined to go to a ZBS team.

RaiderNation · 01-18-2012, 02:28 PM

DHB started to look very solid down the line for the Raiders, and I would take him over Crabtree anyday of the week. Also Aaron Curry looked much better with the Raiders, and I think if we move to the 3-4 this off season he could really excell as a ILB/OLB role on our team.

WMD · 01-18-2012, 02:33 PM

I'm just glad the Lions took (Jason Smith/Aaron Curry) #1 overall. He has finally given this franchise some stability at (LT/LB). He is one of the main reasons the Lions made the playoffs for the first time since 1999, and actually have a bright future.

Oh wait.. we passed on those two bums. GO STAFFORDDDDDDD!

MetSox17 · 01-18-2012, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

I don't know if you consider the Dallas coaching staff any better (doubtful,) but Barron was also quite terrible there.

If a guy fails once, it may be because of coaching. Twice...he's probably a lousy player.

Alex Barron was something awful and he single handedly cost us the Redskins game a few years ago. When your RT can cost you a game, you know he's bad.

DraftSavant · 01-18-2012, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WMD

I'm just glad the Lions took (Jason Smith/Aaron Curry) #1 overall. He has finally given this franchise some stability at (LT/LB). He is one of the main reasons the Lions made the playoffs for the first time since 1999, and actually have a bright future.

Oh wait.. we passed on those two bums. GO STAFFORDDDDDDD!

Admire the broswag. Matt Stafford and his round face don't give a ****.

BeerBaron · 01-18-2012, 04:35 PM

As long as none of them bump his shoulder, he should be ok.

Basileus777 · 01-18-2012, 04:51 PM

I wanted Raji, and was vexed when took Tyson Jackson. At least we didn't draft Sanchez though.

BeerBaron · 01-18-2012, 06:19 PM

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I wanted Raji, and was vexed when took Tyson Jackson. At least we didn't draft Sanchez though.

I don't think you'd be THAT much worse off if you did though. I can't see Cassel leading you anywhere that Sanchez couldn't.

MetSox17 · 01-18-2012, 06:29 PM

Matt Cassel is the president of the painfully average quarterbacks club.

Basileus777 · 01-18-2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

I don't think you'd be THAT much worse off if you did though. I can't see Cassel leading you anywhere that Sanchez couldn't.

I'll agree with that. But I'd rather have Orton over Sanchez, and he's just a mediocre QB we picked off of the waiver wire, not the 5th pick in the draft. Sanchez's draft status makes him hard to get rid of too.

K Train · 01-18-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Case in point: I think that Duane Brown may be the best overall LT in football right now. He was drafted as a smallish athlete with good potential, but now...god damn. Pass blocking and run blocking, he straight up destroys people. Excellent technician at the position.

he was a huge reach, he was a rotational player at LT because he couldnt play a whole game, then he was a less then marginally servicable starterm and now hes a monster....just awesome to see a player be so bad and turn into being so good

JRTPlaya21 · 01-18-2012, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by scottyboy

the bottom of that 1st round is just so much better than the top, jeebus.

and that 2nd round isn't exactly filled with studs either...

however, 5 rutgers players being drafted make it worthwhile

And that's why scottyboy is one of my favorite posters. I'll be that way if Bama can get 4 or 5 early this year.

DraftSavant · 01-18-2012, 10:34 PM

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And that's why scottyboy is one of my favorite posters. I'll be that way if Bama can get 4 or 5 early this year.

Tiquan's hightop fade>>>>>

Brodeur · 01-18-2012, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

As long as none of them bump his shoulder, he should be ok.

He got reamed multiple times this year and missed two snaps all year (and was relieved by Shaun Hill in a blowout twice, but that doesn't really count). So, I don't really think that's valid anymore. Stafford is a top 7 QB and was a great, great pick.

vidae · 01-18-2012, 10:51 PM

Hah, suck it Rams! So glad we got Tyson Jackson!

brb slitting own wrists :(

TonyGfortheTD · 01-19-2012, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DraftSavant

I still don't know how Jason Smith's stock ******* skyrocketed so high leading up to the draft.

That is a laughably average top 10.

Mike Mayock put in his game tape and started verbally blowing him, even though it was just merely average.

WCH · 01-19-2012, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Athleticism and "potential" win at the top of the draft. Smith definitely had the athleticism to be the type of LT who could handle any pass rusher one on one most games.

There also seems to be an element of randomness to who's stock skyrockets. With the 2009 draft as an example, I still don't see how Aaron Maybin was the 11th overall pick while Connor Barwin went in the 40s. They had almost identical college production (both were one-year wonders, also) and if anything Barwin was more athletic and put up his sack numbers after a move to DE from TE. But for some reason, people chose to ride Aaron Maybin's nuts.

I think that the 20-30 range would have been more appropriate for both players.

General Zod · 01-19-2012, 05:07 AM

I still to this day cant believe how Jason Smith turned out. I might not been as high on him as some, but I at least thought he could be a serviceable starter somewhere on the O line.