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Old 01-18-2012, 12:13 PM    (permalink
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This question has been tossed up by several Buc fans who think he'd be a better selection at 5 over Morrs Claiborne, if they were dealt with this situation.

Regardless of the Bucs situation, if you had a top 5 selection and have a need at RB, would you take Richardson?

Things to take in consideration, Richardson is a complete back and physical bruiser. However, the wear and tear RBs go through in the NFL, consistantly knicked up.

Also, the rest of the field. The RB class is solid and you can get yourself a Lamar Miller, Chris Polk, or Wilson from Va Tech in round 2.

My question: Would you take him in the top 5? Thoughts, opinions?
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I wouldn't. There's just not a strong correlation between quality at RB and winning. It's not unusual to see a RB have a great year while his team stinks. Look at MJD this past year. He couldn't stop the Jaguars from stinking, despite having an All-Pro year.
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I love Richardson, and I think elite runningback prospects do deserve to go high. However, Claiborne is also an elite corner prospect, which is inherently more valuable.

If I'm the Bucs, I take Claiborne, but I also think Trent is worth a top 5 pick in a vacuum.
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Eh... MoJo had a massive amount of turnover on the roster working against him, though.
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If the Bucs pass and Seattle resigns Lynch, TR can fall all the way to either the Jets or the Bengals
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No. I wouldn't I could find a RB later that'll be productive.
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Truly depends. I would, but only in a scenario like Cleveland; great young defense, but an offense that lacks explosion in every sense. I'd pick up Matt Flynn or Brian Hoyer, draft Richardson at 4 and then Floyd/Wright at 22 and let my new QB work with these new weapons.
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I don't like him in the top five, this year or any unless the top is just devoid of talent.

He is good running back, but not his biggest fan to start of with. I just don't know if he is dynamic enough to give enough value. I think he needs to give in all phases of the game to be worth it. Granted he could be another Tomlinson, who had huge questions in the passing game due to scheme, but blew it up in the NFL.

The only top five teams that might want him are the Browns and I guess the bucs.

I think the Bucs have bigger holes and Claiborne is similar level in quality and better value due to position.

If the Browns want him and not RG3, why not trade down with Washington and get him at 6?
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Nah. Before yeah, but as much as I love a great running game, rather work on the big uglies to make it easier for your 3-UDFA rb to have success. Easiest position to transition and short self life so gotta wait it out.
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Yes.

His freshman year I considered him a superior prospect to Ingram, whom I considered a very good prospect from his freshman year despite being buried in talent on the depth chart.

Richardson is Adrian Peterson minus the 4.3 speed at this point. And he has the work ethic to improve his explosiveness to that low 4.4 to high 4.3 type of level.

If Richardson cracks the 4.4's at the combine, he will be top 5 overall for him. If he can hit 4.40 or lower, I'd rate him #1 overall.

You watch this kid early in the year against inferior opposition and it was just amazing. On 4th and goal you'd say, run a PITCH to Trent, bc if TWO people meet him at the one yard line, he is scoring.

That **** is rare. Very rare.



He is perhaps the best RB prospect since Peterson (who I ranked 2nd overall to megatron).
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If ever there was a running back who is worth it, it's Richardson.

With that said, if I were running a team I'd be waiting until Round 3 for a running back this year.
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As a Bucs fan I would have no problem with us drafting Richardson. To team a young QB in Freeman with a monster RB like him would be great for both.

Also with the new rookie pool we would be signing him to what a 18 million dollar deal? You see how much top backs go for on the open market! It would be a steal for us.
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If I'm Tampa? No. Get a scat back to pair with Blount and go and get the elite CB prospect.

But, I'd definitely take Trent top 5. Just such a talented prospect. He's someone you can easily give 365+ touches to. If I'm the Bengals, I'm trying to trade up for him. I'm still not sold on Dalton being a franchise guy, but if you give him that line (pick up a G in FA) with weapons like Richardson, Gresham, and Green with Gruden calling the plays? You could be looking at some big things.
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As a Bucs fan I would have no problem with us drafting Richardson. To team a young QB in Freeman with a monster RB like him would be great for both.

Also with the new rookie pool we would be signing him to what a 18 million dollar deal? You see how much top backs go for on the open market! It would be a steal for us.
I don't think people are arguing he could provide value. The thinking is that you can add more value to your team by going elsewhere. Skill wise there might be a bit of overlap with Blount. If you go forward with Blount and a shiftier guy much later in the draft, plus a top flight corner prospect, isn't that better overall talent than adding Richardson?
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I absolutely would take Richardson in the top five.

We pretty well know Luck, Kalil and Claiborne will go in the top five.

Luck will go first. Then there are several scenarios to consider. The Rams take Kalil. That leaves the Vikings looking to trade back or taking Claiborne. If they take Claiborne, that leaves Cleveland with RG3. Then, if I'm Tampa Bay, I take Trent.

Now, if RG3, Kalil and Luck are the first three picks, that leaves the Browns with Trent and Claiborne. I would take Claiborne, but I would understand taking Trent. He's a terrific talent. Then I take Trent if I'm the Bucs.

If the Browns would take, say, Blackmon with RG3 already gone, however, we have a different story. That would leave the Bucs with Trent and Claiborne available. Then I take Claiborne, and Trent is not a top-five pick.
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I wouldn't. There's just not a strong correlation between quality at RB and winning. It's not unusual to see a RB have a great year while his team stinks. Look at MJD this past year. He couldn't stop the Jaguars from stinking, despite having an All-Pro year.
Terrible argument. Other then a QB, what one position would have altered the Jags season and made it any different then what it was?
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As much as I respect Richardson's talent, I am confident that I can get a runner in the third round who can give me similar production for a fraction of the cost. Especially this year.
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it's interesting to look at because to most he's the best RB prospect since Peterson (I mean, I have Ray Rice up there, but what do I know?), and Peterson didn't even crack the top 5. I certainly would because he's got such an incredible skillset and natural talent, it depends on the team really. Guys like McFadden went 4 IIRC, so it's a pretty interesting debate on the team, needs and really who else is there. If your team needs a RB (or some sort of playmaker on O) and also a DT, but there's not really any DT's there...is someone really gonna pull up the old "RB's aren't worth it that high?"
-granted, I know if you're picking that high you've got many needs, but the argument still holds really
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It is pretty easy to find a good back in rounds 2, 3, or later. On top of that, they have the shortest shelf-life of any position in the NFL. Unless it's a hall of fame type player like LT, Adrian Peterson, Barry Sanders, etc. then I wouldn't take one in the top 10 picks unless my only team need really was to find a top notch runningback. I think Richardson is more like Mo Drew or Steven Jackson or Matt Forte than Peterson, Tomlinson, or Sanders. I wouldn't take him worth a top 5 pick.
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it's interesting to look at because to most he's the best RB prospect since Peterson (I mean, I have Ray Rice up there, but what do I know?), and Peterson didn't even crack the top 5. I certainly would because he's got such an incredible skillset and natural talent, it depends on the team really. Guys like McFadden went 4 IIRC, so it's a pretty interesting debate on the team, needs and really who else is there. If your team needs a RB (or some sort of playmaker on O) and also a DT, but there's not really any DT's there...is someone really gonna pull up the old "RB's aren't worth it that high?"
-granted, I know if you're picking that high you've got many needs, but the argument still holds really
I am pretty sure the reason he wasn't a top 5 pick was because teams thought he might need surgery on something forget but that is why he fail.
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yes, hes a monster. i loved ingram but it was just so clear that richardson was the more beastly one
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"He won't be able to just use his arm power to throw defenders around at the next level!"

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It is pretty easy to find a good back in rounds 2, 3, or later.
Yeah, you can find good backs in rounds two and three, but how many of them are stars? Trent Richardson is, in my mind, a guaranteed star.

Ray Rice and Matt Forte were great picks. If I knew I could get Rice in the second round over A.P. in the top ten, I absolutely would. It isn't that simple though.

Tons of running backs are drafted in the second round. In the past three years, Montario Hardesty, Ben Tate, Ryan Williams, Shane Vereen, Daniel Thomas, Toby Gerhart, and Shonn Greene were all drafted in the second round.

It's not like drafting a running back in the second round guarantees you're getting LeSean McCoy.
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As much as I respect Richardson's talent, I am confident that I can get a runner in the third round who can give me similar production for a fraction of the cost. Especially this year.
Exactly and there will probably not be any elite CBs in round 3. If Clairborne is there I hope the bucs take him. No need to waste a 1st round pick on a RB when some of the best backs in the league are usually drafted in the 2-5 rounds.
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I don't think people are arguing he could provide value. The thinking is that you can add more value to your team by going elsewhere. Skill wise there might be a bit of overlap with Blount. If you go forward with Blount and a shiftier guy much later in the draft, plus a top flight corner prospect, isn't that better overall talent than adding Richardson?
Who would you want?

Richardson 1st and 2nd Chase Minnifield/Janoris Jenkins?

Or

Claiborne 1st and 2nd Lamichael James/Chris Polk?
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