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Old 01-19-2012, 12:43 AM    (permalink
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Who would you want?

Richardson 1st and 2nd Chase Minnifield/Janoris Jenkins?

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Claiborne 1st and 2nd Lamichael James/Chris Polk?
I do agree this is an interesting question. My initial choice would be to go Claiborne. The Bucs offense did take a step back this year though. They could use an elite runner like Richardson to give that offense a boost. I don't think they can go in to another season with Blount as the only guy. But then you look at last year and a guy like Demarco Murray was drafted in the third round. I don't think you can lose either way really. In a division with Drew Brees and the pass happy NFL in general I go with Claiborne. Barber is ancient and Talib is a risk to get suspended long term at any moment.
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Here's my opinion on drafting a RB early.

If you have a QB who sits between Aaron Rodgers and Tony Romo / Philip Rivers, talent wise, then you probably don't want to draft a good RB early. Your team could arguably get more production throwing the ball 40-50 teams a game then handing it off to a great running back 20 times a game anyways.

But if you're a team sitting on Alex Smith, Andy Dalton, Ryan Fitzpatrick, an unknown like Matt Flynn and then possibly some higher tier guys who work out of a run system like Matt Ryan then I think someone like Richardson is a fantastic investment to your team. This guy isn't just a runner, he can protect and catch as well, which most 3rd round backs cannot do right away.

It seems like some people don't even believe that Richardson is the best back in this draft. Make no mistake, he certainly is. He should be the most productive back from this draft, baring injuries / a team with a poor O-line drafting him.

Also, let's just squash something real fast. The reason MJD doesn't help the Jaguars win games is because they have some of the worst talent in the league, period. The Rams are in a similar boat with S-jax. A good halfback DOES contribute to victories, but he can't do it on his own.

It's no different than the fact that Andre Johnson didn't turn the Texans into an instant play off team - but WR's are still coveted. Or how about Revis not making the Jets instant superbowl contenders. Does that mean we shouldn't draft a CB in the top 15?

This is a team game, let's not forget that.
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Tons of running backs are drafted in the second round. In the past three years, Montario Hardesty, Ben Tate, Ryan Williams, Shane Vereen, Daniel Thomas, Toby Gerhart, and Shonn Greene were all drafted in the second round.

It's not like drafting a running back in the second round guarantees you're getting LeSean McCoy.
Darren McFadden, Reggie Bush, Ronnie Brown, Cedric Benson, Carnell Williams

Neither does taking one in the top 5.
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He's a stud. He's not a franchise maker, though.

In a draft class with 2 QBs (top 5 material), there is no way I'd take him top 5.

I love Richardson, but he's just not a franchise changer. He's a very good RB who should go top 10 but who could also be neutralized on offenses that don't have a passing game already (see Alabama vs LSU).
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Who would you want?

Richardson 1st and 2nd Chase Minnifield/Janoris Jenkins?

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Claiborne 1st and 2nd Lamichael James/Chris Polk?
I would rather have Richardson and Janoris Jenkins personally. I feel Janoris will be a beast in the league. Richardson will be a star as well.
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I would rather have Richardson and Janoris Jenkins personally. I feel Janoris will be a beast in the league. Richardson will be a star as well.
Character issues: He'll probably go to Cincy.

Someone will take him at the end of Round 1.

Me personally, I wouldn't want him, especially in Tampa. The Bucs already have a headache at CB in Talib, why get another?
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didnt jenkins not even play that well at n. bama?

im really not sure hes a first round prospect, and i wouldnt even consider putting him in the best in the league discussion...he has asante samuel like potential but that remains to be seen and if he didnt show it at a small school where he was a man among boys, what makes anything think he will show it right away in the NFL?
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didnt jenkins not even play that well at n. bama?

im really not sure hes a first round prospect, and i wouldnt even consider putting him in the best in the league discussion...he has asante samuel like potential but that remains to be seen and if he didnt show it at a small school where he was a man among boys, what makes anything think he will show it right away in the NFL?
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Knee scope. Won't run or do any drills. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/...ent-richardson
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Man that some weak stuff. Be doing that stuff on purpose some of these guys.
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No. The way the modern NFL operates, I don't think any running back is worth a top 5 pick, no matter how good he is.

I mean, if you could guarantee me that he'd be a first ballot hall of famer right now, I would probably take him in the top 5, but that's an unrealistic scenario, as there are no guarantees in the actual draft (and I would take a player at any position in the top 5 if you could guarantee me he's a first ballot hall of famer; especially punter.)
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Yeah, you can find good backs in rounds two and three, but how many of them are stars? Trent Richardson is, in my mind, a guaranteed star.

Ray Rice and Matt Forte were great picks. If I knew I could get Rice in the second round over A.P. in the top ten, I absolutely would. It isn't that simple though.

Tons of running backs are drafted in the second round. In the past three years, Montario Hardesty, Ben Tate, Ryan Williams, Shane Vereen, Daniel Thomas, Toby Gerhart, and Shonn Greene were all drafted in the second round.

It's not like drafting a running back in the second round guarantees you're getting LeSean McCoy.
Ben Tate is pretty darn freakin' good. The chances of drafting a good, starting, even pro bowl RB in round 2 or 3 aren't that bad actually. There is a far better chance you draft a pro bowl RB with a round 2/3 pick than any other position.

You are better off taking your chances in round 2 or 3 b/c the chances of getting another Jones-Drew, Tate, Forte, DeMarco Murray, Jamaal Charles, Frank Gore, etc. are pretty decent....while the chances of drafting a first round RB turning out to be just a Cadillac Williams, Ronnie Brown, CJ Spiller, William Green, TJ Duckett, Tim Biakabatuka, KiJana Carter, Curtis Enis type, etc. aren't that bad either. You are much more likely to get a guy like that with a first round pick than you are an LT, OJ, Barry, Emmitt, or Chris Johnson or Darren McFadden even.

It's so incredibly easy to find a good back in round 2 or later that it's hardly worth taking one so high.....and in today's NFL you need two pretty good backs instead of an elite one....and you don't even need an elite back with how the game is being so QB and passing game oriented. The Saints, Patriots, Colts, Giants, and Packers all won recently with marginal talent at RB - some of those teams didn't even run the ball well at all.
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Trent Richardson won't be participating in drills at the combine due to minor knee surgery but says he will participate in Alabama's pro day.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/sto...s-knee-surgery

I think Richardson is an outstanding prospect but IMO people are overestimating his straightline speed.

He won't get an electronic time from Indy now(funny how that works out!), and at Alabama's pro day I don't see him doing any better than a 4.55-4.6 flat.
Richardson is quick, tough, powerful with decent vision, but I've never been awed by his speed which is why I don't get the comparison to Adrian Peterson.

Richardson is a complete RB, but he's not a guy who's a threat to go the distance on any carry.
Trent is Jamal Lewis without the pure foot speed.
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I believe there are certain QB's that play better in a run first offense. I know it sounds like I'm stating the obvious, but guys like Jay Cutler and Matt Ryan are great QB's, really great, when their running game is clicking. However, if you ask them to air it out 40+ times a game, you're going to get mixed results. I think if you have a QB like that and you're in need of a RB, then you got to take Trent Richardson in the top 5. Other than that I'd take my chances later in round 1 or in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. Unless of course the 2nd coming of Reggie Bush (don't laugh, he was an extremely talented prospect) or Adrian Peterson (without the injuries) has entered the draft.
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The only way I think its a good idea is if your already a pretty good team that needs a RB. Now why you would be picking that high could be for a variety of reasons (trade, or a major player got injured, or just a bad season). But I just can't see a team with tons of holes to fill spending such a premium pick on a short lived position.

That said I'm a big fan of drafting BPA, and if you have a guy rated that high then sure. I just by nature rate RB's lower due to their position. And if its between Richardson and Mo then its Claiborne every day. He's an elite player at a premium position.
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I would not waste a top 5 pick on a RB. Period. It has been proven that you can get very good RB talent drafting later on. I would focus on elite skill positions. QB, LT, DE, DT, CB.
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the timing of this knee injury hurts his stock. RB's have such a short career anyway, this is not a good thing for TR.
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No way.Knee surgery already.
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I wouldn't worry too much about Trent's 'knee surgery'. Whatever procedure he had done, I bet if it was during the season he would still play Sunday.

IMO this was probably an elective surgery( like a minor arthroscopic procedure to clean up scar tissue)that allowed him to conveniently miss the combine and give him Richardson a few more weeks to prep for Alabama's pro day.
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IMO this was probably an elective surgery( like a minor arthroscopic procedure to clean up scar tissue)
the question begs why does a 22 year old have scar tissue? it's tread off the tires and that's a negative.
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I love Trent, but I wouldn't take him over Morris Claiborne. Both are elite prospects at their position, but a corner is way more valuable than a running back.
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I love Richardson, and I think elite runningback prospects do deserve to go high. However, Claiborne is also an elite corner prospect, which is inherently more valuable.

If I'm the Bucs, I take Claiborne, but I also think Trent is worth a top 5 pick in a vacuum.
Not more valuable, but longer lived. A typical starting RB is done before season 6. They will sometimes linger, but lingering is what they are doing.

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Character issues: He'll probably go to Cincy.

Someone will take him at the end of Round 1.

Me personally, I wouldn't want him, especially in Tampa. The Bucs already have a headache at CB in Talib, why get another?
I do not see him last much past #10, and not til #17. The Chiefs at #11/12 are one possibility.

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kinda depends on your system. If you run a pass heavy offense like the pats/packers/saints there is no rb that is worth drafting in the first ever imo. Id even venture to say that the receiving third down kinda back has more value for those offenses.

that being said, if you are not one of those teams and when you dont have the qb to fully carry a team richardson is the type of back you might want to go high for.

cliffnotes: depends on the system
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