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Old 01-22-2012, 11:35 AM    (permalink
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And it's why New England continues drafting QBs every year even though they have Tom Brady. They're always developing somebody.
They stole that from the Packers who drafted Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks, Aaron Rodgers and Matt Flynn while having a franchise quarterback at the time of their drafting.
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What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.
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They stole that from the Packers who drafted Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks, Aaron Rodgers and Matt Flynn while having a franchise quarterback at the time of their drafting.
To be fair, Rodgers hadn't started a game yet when they drafted Flynn (and Brian Brohm.)
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To be fair, Rodgers hadn't started a game yet when they drafted Flynn (and Brian Brohm.)
they had a franchise qb while they were drafted sir.
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they had a franchise qb while they were drafted sir.
They didn't yet know that, yet. He hadn't started a game yet.
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They didn't yet know that, yet. He hadn't started a game yet.
They had Favre is what he's saying..
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They had Favre is what he's saying..
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Yeah...well...they were looking to move on from him asap and were in the middle of his flip-flopping retirement streak.

He wouldn't go on to start any more games for the Packers.
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They stole that from the Packers who drafted Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks, Aaron Rodgers and Matt Flynn while having a franchise quarterback at the time of their drafting.
Add Mark Brunell to that list of guys the Packers drafted when Favre was there, albeit in his first year.
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I don't really understand the mechanism by which quarterbacks are supposedly "moving into late round 1."

The way I see it, teams either have a QB or they don't. If you don't have a QB, you probably draft high, and if you have a QB you probably draft much later. Teams that have quarterbacks are unlikely to take a QB late in round 1, unless it's like a Favre situation where the starting QB is not long for this game. But even then, you probably don't take a QB with your first pick, when you have a QB, unless someone falls to you. Aaron Rodgers can fall to you at #24. Brock Osweiler would not be falling to anybody at #24.

So is McShay projecting that teams will be trading up into the back of the first round in order to acquire these second tier quarterbacks? Didn't we talk about how that was certain to happen last year, and then it didn't? It seems to me that the only real reason to trade up into the back of the first round to get a quarterback is if someone else is trying to trade up to the same spot and get your guy. Barring having to grab the top spot in the second round, it's just going to be cheaper to trade up for a high second than a late first.

Guys who pretty much everybody can use (LBs, DBs, DL, OL) can "move into late round 1" I get that, but how are quarterbacks supposed to do it?
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So is McShay projecting that teams will be trading up into the back of the first round in order to acquire these second tier quarterbacks? Didn't we talk about how that was certain to happen last year, and then it didn't? It seems to me that the only real reason to trade up into the back of the first round to get a quarterback is if someone else is trying to trade up to the same spot and get your guy. Barring having to grab the top spot in the second round, it's just going to be cheaper to trade up for a high second than a late first.
Key sentence.

To me, Blaine Gabbert shouldn't have been a first round pick and neither should Christian Ponder have been.

Yet they not only got pushed up in to the first, they got pushed damn near into the top 10.

Teams who are desperate for a QB and can't get Luck or Griffin may do insane things. Would it absolutely shock anyone here to see the Redskins take Tannehill right where they are? Or have Osweiler pull off a Gabbert style meteoric rise?

Hell no. Because you need a QB in this league and the teams know that. If there is a guy who even has the slightest shot, they'll take him.
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Key sentence.

To me, Blaine Gabbert shouldn't have been a first round pick and neither should Christian Ponder have been.

Yet they not only got pushed up in to the first, they got pushed damn near into the top 10.

Teams who are desperate for a QB and can't get Luck or Griffin may do insane things. Would it absolutely shock anyone here to see the Redskins take Tannehill right where they are? Or have Osweiler pull off a Gabbert style meteoric rise?

Hell no. Because you need a QB in this league and the teams know that. If there is a guy who even has the slightest shot, they'll take him.
Well, I agree with that. Taking Ponder as high as he went, for example, seemed insane to me last year.

But McShay didn't say "some team drafting in the low teens will surprise everybody when they reach for a QB"... he said that the QBs are "moving into late round 1."

So unless the Redskins (for example) are going to trade back into the 20s to get a quarterback, I can't see how a Tannehill or a Foles or an Osweiler could possibly go late in round 1.

I do think, though, that some of the silliness about QBs last year was that there wasn't a free agency period before the draft, and that teams were uncertain when or if they would be able to sign FAs that year. This year, I think some of the QB hungry teams are going to sign a Matt Flynn, Alex Smith, Jason Campbell, Brian Hoyer, Josh Johnson, or Kyle Orton as an alternative to drafting Osweiler high.

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I don't really understand the mechanism by which quarterbacks are supposedly "moving into late round 1."

The way I see it, teams either have a QB or they don't. If you don't have a QB, you probably draft high, and if you have a QB you probably draft much later. Teams that have quarterbacks are unlikely to take a QB late in round 1, unless it's like a Favre situation where the starting QB is not long for this game. But even then, you probably don't take a QB with your first pick, when you have a QB, unless someone falls to you. Aaron Rodgers can fall to you at #24. Brock Osweiler would not be falling to anybody at #24.

So is McShay projecting that teams will be trading up into the back of the first round in order to acquire these second tier quarterbacks? Didn't wetalk about how that was certain to happen last year, and then it didn't? It seems to me that the only real reason to trade up into the back of the first round to get a quarterback is if someone else is trying to trade up to the same spot and get your guy. Barring having to grab the top spot in the second round, it's just going to be cheaper to trade up for a high second than a late first.

Guys who pretty much everybody can use (LBs, DBs, DL, OL) can "move into late round 1" I get that, but how are quarterbacks supposed to do it?


Two things re: QBs in late first


Teams can get "so far" without a franchise QB. You won't win a superbowl, but you could make the playoffs. Seattle was rumoured to be interested in Dalton at 25 last year, Denver might take a QB this year, hell SF might even be tempted.

Also you sometimes see teams trade back into the late first if they miss out on top tier QBs.
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