1/20/12 - Mock Draft 4.0

[Abaddon]

It tears at my very soul to see DeCastro taken with Oakland's former pick.

[Nalej]

I like B.Jones as well, actually.
I'd just like to see an upgrade at the C position who can also hold his own against 34 NT's.

[Lil Quip]

Originally Posted by Complex

Besides Derrick Morgan who?

Woops, little slip on my part. Not exactly the biggest expert on the titans, I thought they were one DE away not two.

[jayceheathman]

Originally Posted by Bengals78

Err
Jonathon Joseph?

He has been clean for like 5 years hasn't he? The only thing I can think of was his arrest his rookie year for possession of marijuana.

[Bengals78]

Originally Posted by jayceheathman

He has been clean for like 5 years hasn't he? The only thing I can think of was his arrest his rookie year for possession of marijuana.

Well Im just pointing out that they dont COMPLETELY disregard transgressions.

[Lil Quip]

Originally Posted by Nalej

I like B.Jones as well, actually.
I'd just like to see an upgrade at the C position who can also hold his own against 34 NT's.

Granted a stud center who can control the middle and push 3-4 NT's is nice, but really hard to find. I just feel more confident in the technically sound guy like Konz over the possibility that Jones brings. That being said, I have a feeling Konz is gone by the Pats pick, and picking a center later. I would much rather the Pats spend on defense first. Especially if we can get Jones in the third. I also like taking a late round flyer on Petrus out of UConn as a developmental guy.

Also, isn't it advantageous for a center to be on the short side? In that case, Ben Jones rises as a pick.

[keylime_5]

I think New England is in perfect position to get either Konz in round one, or Brewster or Jones in round two. They can move up and down in the draft as well as any team in the league with trades to target guys that they want.

[Docta]

Browns GM Heckert has stated before that he believes in getting talent at CB, DE, and OT first. They need DE help, and Sheldon Brown is not a #2 CB. They're only saying that they're interested in Griffin to raise up the price on the pick.

[keylime_5]

If anyone thinks the Browns don't want and won't try to get a franchise QB this offseason then they are fooling themselves. Doesn't necessarily mean that they are guaranteed to trade up for Griffin, but they'll try to get a QB one way or another. Heckert never had to pick QBs high in Philly b/c he had McNabb in his prime....and still he took Kevin Kolb in round two when he was there. Every team in the league values a franchise QB over any other position in the league by leaps and bounds and would NEVER pass on one if they felt they didn't have one.

[njx9]

i will never understand the love affair with trying to force tight ends to denver, but i like the dennard pick there.

[Docta]

Originally Posted by keylime_5

If anyone thinks the Browns don't want and won't try to get a franchise QB this offseason then they are fooling themselves. Doesn't necessarily mean that they are guaranteed to trade up for Griffin, but they'll try to get a QB one way or another. Heckert never had to pick QBs high in Philly b/c he had McNabb in his prime....and still he took Kevin Kolb in round two when he was there. Every team in the league values a franchise QB over any other position in the league by leaps and bounds and would NEVER pass on one if they felt they didn't have one.

But he's never drafted one in the first. Just because they value QBs, doesn't mean they value them over every other position. Tannehill will be there in the 2nd.

[armageddon]

Kalil is a great pick for the Rams at #2, but 99.9% chance they trade down. Let the RG3 bidding begin.

[Finsfan79]

Not a fan of the miami pick at all. While I understand the need at the position, too much money has been spent on the Oline (4 picks there this year already). Plus we can get a right tackle later on in the draft very easily in this deep oline draft.

Upshaw makes far more sense as the key to a defense in this league is a killer pass rush. THis is specially considering we have tom brady in our division. The way to defeat the pats has always been to put pressure on brady with your first group of players. We need to get an elite pass rusher opposite of Wake.

Floyd also makes sense to add another weapon in this heavy pass first league. Considering the Philbin signing and the possibility now of Flynn being their choice ( not a fan of flynn but whatever).



Plain and simple a right tackle is not valuable enough for us there.

[Lil Quip]

Originally Posted by Finsfan79

Not a fan of the miami pick at all. While I understand the need at the position, too much money has been spent on the Oline (4 picks there this year already). Plus we can get a right tackle later on in the draft very easily in this deep oline draft.

Upshaw makes far more sense as the key to a defense in this league is a killer pass rush. THis is specially considering we have tom brady in our division. The way to defeat the pats has always been to put pressure on brady with your first group of players. We need to get an elite pass rusher opposite of Wake.

Floyd also makes sense to add another weapon in this heavy pass first league. Considering the Philbin signing and the possibility now of Flynn being their choice ( not a fan of flynn but whatever).



Plain and simple a right tackle is not valuable enough for us there.

I don't think Floyd is an optimal choice. I think he will want to build the offense with good but not great receivers, just a lot of them. I think having Marshall and a bunch more complementary guys will the best going forward. I see them picking up a good second round receiver like Randall out of LSU.

If you know you can fill out your receivers later in the draft, you have to use your premium picks elsewhere where you feel less confident getting pieces later.

[raynman]

Originally Posted by njx9

i will never understand the love affair with trying to force tight ends to denver, but i like the dennard pick there.

as long as fox is there don't expect the TE to be anything close to significant.

i don't care how useful they could be or how much they would help tebow, fox doesn't believe in them.

[scottyboy]

i kinda like Konz, but the giants need more of a right tackle if we don't believe in brewster to replace McKenzie. Or a left tackle to move Diehl to right since beatty blows. With Snee/Baas/Petrus (whom maybe Giants fans like more than the FO, but still) the interior OL seems strong. We wont look to replace Baas after giving him all that money, unless we shift him to guard.

I don't like us passing up Taze. He'd be an animal for us.

Also, no Sanu round one? :(

[GaMeTiMe]

Gonna be a long mock season for the Eagles. Kuechly to Philly is the kind of pick everyone locks into their mocks for months and then it doesn't happen and the rest of your first round gets shaken up.

I'm still looking for Andy to go DT, but if DeSean leaves WR is far and above our biggest need, even with Maclin. FA will probably bring a new LB to Philly because Andy really can't afford to spend a 1st on one after all of these years of neglect in what may be his final chance here.

Just letting everyone know, start making a short-list of other players you'd mock to Philly with Kuechly on the board, it doesn't seem like anyone really has any idea otherwise. Personally, I'm firmly on the Kendall Wright to Philly bandwagon and believe we are in the perfect position to pick him.

[shylo3716]

Originally Posted by GaMeTiMe

Gonna be a long mock season for the Eagles. Kuechly to Philly is the kind of pick everyone locks into their mocks for months and then it doesn't happen and the rest of your first round gets shaken up.

I'm still looking for Andy to go DT, but if DeSean leaves WR is far and above our biggest need, even with Maclin. FA will probably bring a new LB to Philly because Andy really can't afford to spend a 1st on one after all of these years of neglect in what may be his final chance here.

Just letting everyone know, start making a short-list of other players you'd mock to Philly with Kuechly on the board, it doesn't seem like anyone really has any idea otherwise. Personally, I'm firmly on the Kendall Wright to Philly bandwagon and believe we are in the perfect position to pick him.

I totally agree with your thought process on WR, but I would rather take Floyd if we go that route. We can always get a deep threat/return man in the mid to late rounds.

[Crazy_Chris]

Originally Posted by Docta

Browns GM Heckert has stated before that he believes in getting talent at CB, DE, and OT first. They need DE help, and Sheldon Brown is not a #2 CB. They're only saying that they're interested in Griffin to raise up the price on the pick.

I disagree with the bolded part, as they would not be the ones benefitting from a trade. It doesn't make sense for them to act like they want griffin to raise the prcie, as it will only generate a trade for the Rams or Vikings.

[jayceheathman]

Originally Posted by Bengals78

Well Im just pointing out that they dont COMPLETELY disregard transgressions.

I think they disregarded it completely with Joseph because he has been clean for 5 years and has shown he learned from it.

Floyd on the other hand, got arrested within the year. Plus, no one can say that possession of marijuana is worse than a DUI like what Floyd got. Plus it was his 3rd run in with the law over alcohol in 2-3 years.

He is also giving coaches less of a chance to see his character by turning down the Senior Bowl invite. He is a great talent no doubt, but it would be interested to see what Bob McNair does if Floyd is still on the board come draft day.

[Docta]

Originally Posted by Crazy_Chris

I disagree with the bolded part, as they would not be the ones benefitting from a trade. It doesn't make sense for them to act like they want griffin to raise the prcie, as it will only generate a trade for the Rams or Vikings.

What they get in the trade is what's going to benefit them. Griffin probably isn't going to turn them into a contender right away. Taking the risk on the couple future first round picks would be like drafting Griffin. If Griffin doesn't pan out, it'll set them back.

[SilentJaguar]

I really wish people would stop mocking Coples to us.

I know it's a mock and doesn't mean anything, but c'mon now...

[1funguy]

San Diego needs to find a pass rush, but I just don't see Ingram as a good fit for us at OLB. Sure, he gets good pressure, but can he drop into coverage at all? If he were a Merriman-type of impact player (when Merriman made an impact haha) I might see it. Not sure he's that guy at all.

Personally, I'd much prefer to see Poe drop, grab an upgrade at ROT, or take a shot on Perry.

[Docta]

Originally Posted by 1funguy

San Diego needs to find a pass rush, but I just don't see Ingram as a good fit for us at OLB. Sure, he gets good pressure, but can he drop into coverage at all? If he were a Merriman-type of impact player (when Merriman made an impact haha) I might see it. Not sure he's that guy at all.

Personally, I'd much prefer to see Poe drop, grab an upgrade at ROT, or take a shot on Perry.

The pass rush will be back next season with Liuget and Castillo back from their injuries.

[The_Dude]

Since the Vikings are sticking with the Tampa 2, unfortunately, i don't know how likely it would be for them to pick a cover corner like Claiborne at #3. I see them trying to address the cb position in the mid rounds.

If Kalil is gone, i seriously hope they are able to trade down in the RGIII sweepstakes.