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Old 01-24-2012, 12:02 PM    (permalink
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Does anyone have his last year rankings?
Quarterbacks
Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
Jake Locker, Washington
Cam Newton, Auburn
Ryan Mallett, Arkansas
Andy Dalton, TCU

Running Backs
Mark Ingram, Alabama
Mikel Leshoure, Illinois
Daniel Thomas, Kansas State
Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech
Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State

Wide Receivers
A.J. Green, Georgia
Julio Jones, Alabama
Titus Young, Boise State
Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh
Torrey Smith, Maryland

Tight Ends
Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame
Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin
Luke Stocker, Tennessee
D.J. Williams, Arkansas
Virgil Green, Nevada

Interior Offensive Line
Mike Pouncey, Florida
Danny Watkins, Baylor
Clint Boling, Georgia
John Moffitt, Wisconsin
Rodney Hudson, Florida State

Offensive Tackles
Anthony Castonzo, Boston College
Nate Solder, Colorado
Tyron Smith, USC
Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
(tie) Ben Ijalana, Villanova; Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State

Defensive Ends
Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson
J.J. Watt, Wisconsin
Adrian Clayborn, Iowa
Cameron Jordan, California
Robert Quinn, North Carolina

Defensive Tackle
Marcell Dareus, Alabama
Nick Fairley, Auburn
Corey Liuget, Illinois
Stephen Paea, Oregon State
Jurrell Casey, USC

Outside Linebacker
Von Miller, Texas A&M
Akeem Ayers, UCLA
Justin Houston, Georgia
Bruce Carter, North Carolina
Chris Carter, Fresno State

Inside Linebackers
Martez Wilson, Illinois
Colin McCarthy, Miami (FL)
Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina
Casey Matthews, Oregon
Kelvin Sheppard, LSU

corner
Patrick Peterson, LSU
Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
Aaron Williams, Texas
Jimmy Smith, Colorado
Brandon Harris, Miami (FL)

safety
Rahim Moore, UCLA
Ahmad Black, Florida
Marcus Gilchrist, Clemson
Quinton Carter, Oklahoma
Deunta Williams, North Carolina
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he ended up moving cam to the top i believe
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Mike Mayock's top prospects by position for the 2009 NFL Draft
Rank Player School Comment
Quarterbacks
1*Mark Sanchez USC Tremendous skills, 16 college starts
2*Matthew Stafford Georgia Elite arm, inconsistent in pocket
3*Josh Freeman Kansas State Tremendous arm/athletic, speed-up process
4Pat White West Virginia Excellent arm/accuracy, the new 'slash'?
5Stephen McGee Texas A&M Physical/athletic, injured as a senior

Running backs
1*Knowshon Moreno Georgia Lateral quickness, love his finish
2*Chris "Beanie" Wells Ohio State Downhill runner, inconsistent durability
3*Donald Brown Connecticut Great quickness, makes people miss, patient
4*LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh Vision and cutback ability, questionable long speed
5*Shonn Greene North Carolina State Fast riser, durability issues

Fullback
1Tony Fiammetta Syracuase Old-school blocker, robotic-but-able receiver
2Quinn Johnson LSU Lead blocker/special teams, 5 career catches
3Brannan Southerland Georgia Versatile blocker and receiver, durability issues

Wide receivers
1*Michael Crabtree Texas Tech Great ball skills/competitor, questionable long speed
2*Percy Harvin Florida Big-play ability, durability/usage
3*Jeremy Maclin Missouri Explosive R.A.C., production/added value RS
4*Darrius Heyward-Bey Maryland H-W-S specimen, inconsistent hands
5*Brian Robiskie Ohio State Best route-runner, great value

Tight ends
1 Brandon Pettigrew Oklahoma State Old-school TE like Jason Witten, not a blazer
2 Cornelius Ingram Florida Gifted athlete, missed '08 (torn ACL)
3 Shawn Nelson Southern Miss Gifted vertical receiver, willing blocker
4 Jared Cook South Carolina Tremendous measurables, vertical threat
5 *James Casey Rice Natural ball skills, not a blocker

Centers
1 Max Unger Oregon 4-position OL, will struggle with speed
2 Eric Wood Louisville Tough guy/finishes well, struggles to redirect feet
3 Alex Mack California Intelligent/great technique, on ground too much
4 A.Q. Shipley Penn State Short arms/good player, understands technique/leverage

5 Antoine Caldwell Alabama Can play all 3 interior OL spots, tough guy
Guards
1 Andy Levitre Oregon State Former LT, must kick inside
2 Duke Robinson Oklahoma Massive brawler, will struggle with speed
3 Kraig Urbik Wisconsin 4-position OL, solid technician/long career
4 Tyronne Green Auburn Tremendous Senior Bowl week, great initial pop/must sustain
5 Herman Johnson LSU Largest baby in La. history, scheme-specific player

Offensive tackles
1 Eugene Monroe Virginia Kept Branden Albert at guard, gifted pass protector
2 Jason Smith Baylor Think Ryan Clady, needs run-game improvement
3 *Andre Smith Alabama Surprisingly nimble feet, beware weight fluctuation
4 Michael Oher Mississippi Naturally gifted LT, highly inconsistent
5 *Eben Britton Arizona Solid technician, needs more sand in pants

Defensive ends
Rk Player School Comment
1 Robert Ayers Tennessee Great burst at Senior Bowl, one-year wonder?
2 Tyson Jackson LSU Scheme diverse, might kick inside
3 Everette Brown Florida State Right DE or rush LB, significant upside
4 Paul Kruger Utah Great motor/stacks edge, not an elite edge burst
5 Michael Johnson Georgia Tech Physical specimen, Too much bad tape

Defensive tackles
1 B.J. Raji Boston College Run stuffer can push pocket, stay at 328 pounds!!!
2 Peria Jerry Mississippi 1-gap penetrator, must stay healthy
3 Evander "Ziggy" Hood Missouri Energizer Bunny, scheme will be crucial
4 Ron Brace Boston College Gifted run defender, limited pass-rush ability
5 Fili Moala USC Physical specimen, must be more consistent

Inside linebackers
1 Rey Maualuga USC Explosive point of attack, can struggle in space
2 James Laurinaitis Ohio State Consistent technician, clean off the field
3 Jasper Brinkley South Carolina No comment
4 Darry Beckwith LSU Athletic and solid tackler, engulfed by big bodies
5 Jason Phillips TCU Productive/hard-nosed, had postseason knee surgery

Outside linebackers
1 Aaron Curry Wake Forest Scheme diverse/high-level performer, safest pick in draft
2 Brian Orakpo Texas Talented conversion guy, explosive off edge
3 Brian Cushing USC Love attitude/passion, 4-3 SAM/3-4 ILB?
4 Clay Matthews USC Special talent, Nickel OLB
T-5th Larry English Northern Illinois Can run the arc, level of competition
T-5th Aaron Maybin Penn State Can he sustain 250 pounds or stop the run?

Cornerbacks
1 Malcolm Jenkins Ohio State Great length/very physical, CB or FS?
2 Vontae Davis Illinois Highly gifted skill-set, inconsistent on/off field
3 Darius Butler Connecticut Best feet/C.O.D. at Senior Bowl, must tackle consistently
4 Alphonso Smith Wake Forest Great instincts/ball skills, size/speed questions
5 *Jairus Byrd Vanderbilt Quick feet/thin frame, loves to compete
Safeties
1 Louis Delmas Western Michigan Aggressive vs. run/good tackler, average in man-to-man
2 Patrick Chung Oregon Very solid box safety, likes press/dislikes off-man
3 William Moore Missouri Jekyll or Hyde, physically gifted
4 Rashad Johnson Alabama Made 11 INTs in two years, CB body
5 Chip Vaugn Wake Forest Good size/speed, special teams gunner
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his oline rankings were **** that year lol
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And another ranking

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000...atest-rankings
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Darius Butler....****. We got burned on that one bad.
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Darius Butler....****. We got burned on that one bad.
Which is weird, because he's not the classic "short and slow" (4103, 4.41) prospect that Mayock consistently whiffs on.

I mean, he's not tall and fast either, he's just kind of average.
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Many any of those three '09 safeties would be cool on the Jets...How'd we miss them? Oh yeah they all went pretty high and we were busy chasing the Sanchez.
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EVERYONE was pumping up Gabbert because they were terrified of going with Cam.

Narrative scouting.
The guys at NFLN didnt like Newton so they had to go with someone as the top QB. Mayock liked Locker quite a bit but that would mean going against what the establishment there was saying was crazy. I think Gabbert was the default number 1 and he ended up being the 3rd guy taken at that position. To me they lost a lot of their credibility during that whole process.

As for the Kalil below Reiff debate i honesly didnt see as much of Iowa this year as i did the year before but i like Reiff a lot. My preferance though would be Kalil. He has great footwork and hands and has a bit of a mean streak.
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his oline rankings were **** that year lol
As were everyone's. That 2009 draft was baaaad.
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Mayock's been a lot busier lately so his rankings have slid down in my opinion from where he once was. Kiper's solidly ahead of him in the last few drafts.
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Am I the only one completely baffled by James Brown? That's gotta be a mistake, right? He probably meant Mike Adams.
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edit: Or maybe not. Apparently I just don't watch enough Sun Belt.
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Am I the only one completely baffled by James Brown? That's gotta be a mistake, right? He probably meant Mike Adams.
On the actual NFL Network when I was watching it he had Mike Adams as 4 so yes, that must be a mistake.
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Which is weird, because he's not the classic "short and slow" (4103, 4.41) prospect that Mayock consistently whiffs on.

I mean, he's not tall and fast either, he's just kind of average.
At 4 feet 10 3/8th inches I have to disagree... he's short.

(yeah, I know it's a typo... that's 5103)
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At 4 feet 10 3/8th inches I have to disagree... he's short.

(yeah, I know it's a typo... that's 5103)
Lol... in my defense, 5 is next to 4 on the keyboard.
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Lol... in my defense, 5 is next to 4 on the keyboard.
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1*Knowshon Moreno Georgia Lateral quickness, love his finish
2*Chris "Beanie" Wells Ohio State Downhill runner, inconsistent durability
3*Donald Brown Connecticut Great quickness, makes people miss, patient
4*LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh Vision and cutback ability, questionable long speed
5*Shonn Greene North Carolina State Fast riser, durability issues
Interesting because Shonn Greene went to Iowa
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Did I miss something or did he leave Aldon Smith off his rankings last year?
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Old 01-25-2012, 12:12 AM    (permalink
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Did I miss something or did he leave Aldon Smith off his rankings last year?
And Ryan Kerrigan too.
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Old 01-25-2012, 12:15 AM    (permalink
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I thought he had Aldon Smith in his ranking and Cam Newton as his #1 QB.
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Did I miss something or did he leave Aldon Smith off his rankings last year?
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And Ryan Kerrigan too.
Those have to be an older version of his rankings. I specifically remember Mayock being a huge fan of Kerrigan (pretty easy to remember him talking about Kerrigan with the thick Northeastern accent of his). Dunno about Smith though.
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Here's one posted a few days before the draft. No sign of Kerrigan though.

Quarterbacks
1. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2. Cam Newton, Auburn
3. Jake Locker, Washington
4. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas
T-5. Andy Dalton, TCU
T-5. Christian Ponder

Running Back
1. Mark Ingram, Alabama
2. Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech
3. Daniel Thomas, Kansas State
4. Mikel Leshoure, Illinois
5. Kendall Hunter, Okie St.

Wide Receivers
1. A.J. Green, Georgia
2. Julio Jones, Alabama
3. Titus Young, Boise St.
4. Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh
T-5. Torrey Smith, Maryland
T-5. Randall Cobb

Tight Ends
1. Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame
2. Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin
3. Luke Stocker, Tennessee
4. D.J. Williams, Arkansas
5. Virgil Green, Nevada

Interior Offensive Line
1. Mike Pouncey, Florida
2. Danny Watkins, Baylor
3. Rodney Hudson, Florida State
4. Marcus Cannon, TCU
5. Clint Boling, Georgia

Offensive Tackles
1. Anthony Castonzo, Boston College
2. Tyron Smith, USC
3. Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
4. Nate Solder, Colorado
T-5. Ben Ijalana, Villanova
T-5. Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State

Defensive Ends
1. Robert Quinn, North Carolina
2. Cameron Jordan, California
3. J.J. Watt, Wisconsin
4. Aldon Smith, Missouri
5. Da’Quan Bowers, Clemson

Defensive Tackle
1. Marcell Dareus, Alabama
2. Nick Fairley, Auburn
3. Corey Liuget, Illinois
4. Marvin Austin, North Carolina
5. Muhammad Wilkerson, Temple

Outside Linebacker
1. Von Miller, Texas A&M
2. Akeem Ayers, UCLA
3. Bruce Carter, North Carolina
4. Dontay Moch, Nevada
5. Justin Houston, Georgia

Inside Linebackers
1. Martez Wilson, Illinois
2. Casey Matthews, Oregon
3. Colin McCarthy, Miami (FL)
4. Kelvin Sheppard, LSU
5. Akeem Dent, Georgia

Cornerbacks
1. Patrick Peterson, LSU
2. Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
3. Jimmy Smith, Colorado
4. Ras-I Dowling, Virginia
5. Brandon Harris, Miami (FL)

Safeties
1. Aaron Williams, Texas
2. Rahim Moore, UCLA
3. Marcus Gilchrist, Clemson
4. Ahmad Black, Florida
5. Quinton Carter, Oklahoma
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Here's one posted a few days before the draft. No sign of Kerrigan though.

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Defensive Ends
1. Robert Quinn, North Carolina
2. Cameron Jordan, California
3. J.J. Watt, Wisconsin
4. Aldon Smith, Missouri
5. Da’Quan Bowers, Clemson

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Outside Linebacker
1. Von Miller, Texas A&M
2. Akeem Ayers, UCLA
3. Bruce Carter, North Carolina
4. Dontay Moch, Nevada
5. Justin Houston, Georgia
At a guess, Mayock was thinking of Kerrigan as a DE not an OLB, being skeptical of his ability to play in space (as many were), and wasn't making a distinction between the guys he rated high as 5-techs (Watt, Jordan) and the guys who project as more traditional ends in an even front.
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