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Old 02-14-2012, 09:18 PM    (permalink
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QB
1. Andrew Luck
2. Robert Griffin
3. Ryan Tannehill
RB
1. Trent Richardson
2. David Wilson
3. Lamar Miller
4. Doug Martin
5. LaMichael James
WR
1. Justin Blackmon
2. Michael Floyd
3. Kendall Wright
4. Alshon Jeffrey
5. Chris Givens
TE
1. Dwayne Allen
2. Coby Fleener
3. Orson Charles
4. Ladarius Green
5. Micheal Egnew
OT
1. Riley Reiff
2. Matt Kalil
3. Jon Martin
4. Mike Adams
5. James Brown
5. Zebrie Sanders
OG/OC
1. David DeCastro
2. Peter Konz
3. Kevin Zeitler
4. Cordy Glenn
5. Kelechi Osemele
DE
1. Quinton Coples
2. Melvin Ingram
3. Whitney Mericlus
4. Nick Perry
5. Chandler Jones
5. Andre Branch
DT
1. Devon Still
2. Jerel Worthy
3. Mike Brockers
4. Brandon Thompson
5. Fletcher Cox
5. Dontari Poe
LB
1. Courtney Upshaw
2. Luke Keuchly
3. Donta Hightower
4. Zach Brown
5. Vontaze Burfict
CB
1. Mo Claiborne
2. Janoris Jenkins
3. Alfonzo Dennard
4. Leonard Johnson
5. Dre Kirkpatrick
S
1. Mike Barron
2. Harrison Smith
3. George Iloka
4. Markelle Martin
5. Janzen Jackson
5. Antonio Allen

Updated 2/14

QB
1. Andrew Luck
2. Robert Griffin
3. Ryan Tannehill
4. Brandon Weeden
5. Nick Foles
RB
1. Trent Richardson
2. David Wilson
3. Lamar Miller
4. Doug Martin
5. LaMichael James
WR
1. Justin Blackmon
2. Kendall Wright
3. Michael Floyd
4. Reuben Randle
5. Alshon Jeffrey
TE
1. Orson Charles
2. Coby Fleener
3. Dwayne Allen
4. Deangelo Peterson
5. Ladarius Green
OT
1. Matt Kalil
2. Riley Reiff
3. Jonathan Martin
4. Mike Adams
5. Cordy Glenn
OG/OC
1. David DeCastro
2. Peter Konz
3. Kevin Zeitler
4. Amini Silatolu
5. Kelechi Osemele
DE
1. Melvin Ingram
2. Quinton Coples
3. Andre Branch
4. Whitney Mercilus
5. Nick Perry
5.Vinnie Curry
DT
1. Mike Brockers
2. Jerel Worthy
3. Dontari Poe
4. Devon Still
5. Fletcher Cox
5. Kendell Reyes
5. Brandon Thompson
LB
1. Courtney Upshaw
2. Luke Keuchly
3. Donta Hightower
4. Ronnell Lewis
5. Sean Spence
CB
1. Mo Claiborne
2. Dre Kirkpatrick
3. Janoris Jenkins
4. Trumaine Johnson
5. Leonard Johnson
S
1. Mike Barron
2. Harrison Smith
3. George Iloka
4. Markelle Martin
5. Phillip Thomas
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5. Phillip Thomas
I'd love to hear Mike Mayock talk about this safety class, because I don't really feel that the top 3 or even 4 are separated by that much.

I've really become a George Iloka fan after seeing a few games of Boise State. I personally think he's the kind of guy you need to cover bigger slot receivers and TEs. He's got LB and CB skills that mesh well to create what looks like a very good safety. I'd be utterly shocked if he made it passed NE's first second rounder (48 from Oakland). He's a perfect complement to Patrick Chung.

Harrison Smith reminds me of a strong safety too much. He's very instinctive which can cover up for a lack of speed, but I'm just not sure how he will handle NFL speed.
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Very surprised to see Foles over Osweiler or Cousins at that #5 QB spot.
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I'd love to hear Mike Mayock talk about this safety class, because I don't really feel that the top 3 or even 4 are separated by that much.

I've really become a George Iloka fan after seeing a few games of Boise State. I personally think he's the kind of guy you need to cover bigger slot receivers and TEs. He's got LB and CB skills that mesh well to create what looks like a very good safety. I'd be utterly shocked if he made it passed NE's first second rounder (48 from Oakland). He's a perfect complement to Patrick Chung.

Harrison Smith reminds me of a strong safety too much. He's very instinctive which can cover up for a lack of speed, but I'm just not sure how he will handle NFL speed.
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Agreed on your opinion of both him and Harrison Smith...that said I think Barron is a far superior prospect to Smith and there's a healthy gap between him and Iloka. I do like Iloka alot though...he's really the only other safety I really want to see the Jets draft this year besides Barron.
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I like Markelle Martin more than Smith - just looks a bit quicker getting downhill. I also think Martin offers a little more in terms of versatility projecting him forward - could also play safety in a Cover-2 for example - whereas Smith is just an in the box safety.

I do remember Mayock saying he'd only seen one OSU game so far - not sure if that's made it tough for him to rate Martin? I think most draftniks will have seen more games than Mayock - he's been too busy with the NFL.

Iloka's move to CB late in the year was a real plus for him. I didn't think he always stood out at safety for Boise - but a safety who can cover = a high pick. He's a bigger Marcus Gilchrist who was pick 50 last year.
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Remember when everybody had their panties in a bunch when Mayock didn't have Kalil as his top guy or Kirkpatrick pretty low? Mayock didn't get to his juniors yet, not that he has, his rankings have been adjusted accordingly.
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Cordy Glenn dropping out of the top 5? Wonder if his stock really is slipping.

edit: oh, has him as OT now.
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Cordy Glenn as an OT is interesting.

Ruben Randle in the top 5 and carrying what appears to be a 1st round grade is really interesting.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/090...content_stream
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@evansilva: Mayock doesn't believe #Iowa LT Riley Reiff is a top-10 talent in the draft, but very well could be due to the "value of the position."

So, IamCanadian, will you now agree that the position has become devalued? MAYOCK SAID IT!
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no taze in his top 5 linebackers? mayock is dead to me
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Can't blame him too much there.
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no taze in his top 5 linebackers? mayock is dead to me
I think about half of NFL teams just aren't going to have him on their draft boards.

The other half should have him reasonably high, though.
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I've really become a George Iloka fan after seeing a few games of Boise State. I personally think he's the kind of guy you need to cover bigger slot receivers and TEs. He's got LB and CB skills that mesh well to create what looks like a very good safety. I'd be utterly shocked if he made it passed NE's first second rounder (48 from Oakland). He's a perfect complement to Patrick Chung.
I'm a huge Iloka fan. He's Kam Chancellor.


Mayock also did something with his rankings that I've been feeling lately. Orson Charles as the #1 TE.
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Can't blame him too much there.
i just cant see the rationality, maybe i just have a soft spot for psychotic head hunting middle linebackers. penalties are a concern, but i wouldnt say hes a bad person and he can flat out play linebacker. not making the top 5 is just a smack to the face
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i just cant see the rationality, maybe i just have a soft spot for psychotic head hunting middle linebackers. penalties are a concern, but i wouldnt say hes a bad person and he can flat out play linebacker. not making the top 5 is just a smack to the face
Here is what Mayock says about Burfict:

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All the Ravens fans desperately wanting Burfict in the first round need to take a read of that! He's never going first round...
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i disagree. sure im expecting him to regain his form from a year ago but i still think he could and will be great. hes my number 1 still this year...combine is gonna be important for him, hightower, and kuechly all in their own ways.

i think hes better than mcclain was, but not a patrick willis type prospect by any means. top 15 talent imo, even if he has a 4th round brain
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I'll still take him over Hightower every day of the week.
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Mayock's new update:

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Quarterback

1. Andrew Luck, Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III, Baylor
3. Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
4. Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State
5. Kirk Cousins, Michigan State

Running Back

1. Trent Richardson, Alabama
2. Doug Martin, Boise State
3. David Wilson, Virginia Tech
4. Lamar Miller, Miami (Fla.)
5. LaMichael James, Oregon

Rise: Martin
Fall: Miller, Wilson

Wide Receiver

1. Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
3. Michael Floyd, Notre Dame
2. Kendall Wright, Baylor
4. Stephen Hill, Georgia Tech
5. Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina

Rise: Floyd
Fall: Wright
New entry: Hill
Out: LSU's Rueben Randle

Tight End

1. Orson Charles, Georgia
2. Coby Fleener, Stanford
3. Dwayne Allen, Clemson
4. Deangelo Peterson, LSU
5. Ladarius Green, Louisiana-Lafayette


Offensive Tackle

1. Matt Kalil, USC
2. Riley Reiff, Iowa
3. Jonathan Martin, Stanford
4. Mike Adams, Ohio State
5. Cordy Glenn, Georgia

Guard

1. David DeCastro, Stanford
2. Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin
3. Amini Silatolu, Midwestern State
4. Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State
5. Brandon Brooks, Miami (Ohio)

Center

1. Peter Konz, Wisconsin
2. Philip Blake, Baylor
3. Ben Jones, Georgia
4. David Molk, Michigan
5. Michael Brewster, Ohio State

Defensive End

1. Quinton Coples, North Carolina
2. Courtney Upshaw, Alabama
3. Nick Perry, USC
4. Vinny Curry, Marshall
5. Jared Crick, Nebraska

Rise: Coples, Perry, Curry, Crick
New entry: Crick, Upshaw (formerly listed as linebacker)
Out: Clemson's Andre Branch, Illinois' Whitney Mercilus (now listed as outside linebacker), South Carolina's Melvin Ingram (now listed as outside linebacker)

Defensive Tackle

1. Dontari Poe, Memphis
2. Fletcher Cox, Mississippi State
3. Michael Brockers, LSU
4. Jerel Worthy, Michigan State
5. Kendall Reyes, Connecticut

Rise: Poe, Cox
Fall: Brockers, Worthy
Out: Penn State's Devon Still, Clemson's Brandon Thompson

Outside Linebacker

1. Melvin Ingram, South Carolina
2. Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
3. Andre Branch, Clemson
4. Ronnell Lewis, Oklahoma
5. Shea McClellin, Boise State

Out: Alabama's Courtney Upshaw (now listed at defensive end)

Inside Linebacker

1. Luke Kuechly, Boston College
2. Dont'a Hightower, Alabama
3. Mychal Kendricks, California
4. Keenan Robinson, Texas
5. Sean Spence, Miami

Cornerback

1. Morris Claiborne, LSU
2. Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
3. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama
4. Josh Robinson, Central Florida
5. Stephon Gilmore, South Carolina

New entry: Robinson, Gilmore
Out: Montana's Trumaine Johnson, Iowa State's Leonard Johnson

Safety

1. Mark Barron, Alabama
2. Harrison Smith, Notre Dame
3. Brandon Taylor, LSU
4. DeQuan Menzie, Alabama
5. Phillip Thomas, Syracuse

New entry: Menzie, Taylor
Out: Boise State's George Iloka, Oklahoma State's Markelle Martin
Menzie's interesting at S. A little surprised Trumaine Johnson isn't in there instead of him. Feeling validated over here seeing Keenan Robinson at ILB. I'm not sure I agree with Upshaw at DE over Perry but it's not shocking at all. I just figured as a DE instead of a OLB he would fall a little farther. And I have Fleener, even without the combine, as the top TE now. Charles was cracking me up looking like Kevin Hart running his drills at the combine.
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Well, Mayock's has now had the Senior Bowl and Combine to look over prospects and has put in a lot of film work on the junior class, his last rankings seem to reflect these facts.

He seems to be counting on Kendall Wright to have an excellent pro day along with many Alabama players.

He has his bias's, namely TE's who can block, RB's who are physical and who can take punishment, and in the past, Senior QB's although, he seems to be coming to the realization, that the better QB's now in the draft, will be juniors.
He also has a soft spot for prospects who get by with their football instincts rather than rely on their athletic prowess and seems to have the ability to spot those kinds of athletes. He doesn't ignore physical abilities but he also looks for football know how.

I believe he also has a slight bias against one year wonders similar to how he feels about junior QB's.
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Dang it I feel the need if SF wants a big time WR they are going to have to trade up into the teens everyone > Jefferson IMO. Sucks that we are drafting so far at the end ...
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