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Old 01-29-2012, 01:07 PM    (permalink
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That's a poor comparison. Watching him play, I think Griffin pretty clearly has that "it" factor you want in your franchise QB.

Weeden doesn't. When Ok St had the inside track for the national championship game, he played an awful game against Iowa State. His passes were all over the place and he played a huge part in costing his team the game.

Add in the fact that he'll be 32 by the time his rookie contract expires and his physical tools aren't really that impressive, I pass on him without hesitation.
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I don't get it either. He doesn't impress me all that much

And yea, you have to consider he blew out his arm playing baseball. Right now it doesn't effect his football throwing motion but who knows how long that will last?
Hold on a second, where have you read or heard anything about Weeden blowing his arm out? Weeden did suffer tendinitis in his right rotator cuff, which is still a concern in itself, but that didn't even require surgery.
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I can't find the specifics but I recall them saying a game that he couldn't throw a baseball anymore due to pain. It supposedly doesn't affect his football throwing motion but combine all the other negatives with the guy, why take a chance?
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My biggest problem is when pressured he threw a lot of INT's. I watched a ton of OSU games this year and most the time he wasn't pressured, when he was is when he did his turnovers. I think he'd be a 1st-2nd if he were younger, and I'm sure someone will take him early, but I wouldn't touch him til the 3rd or 4th
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I can't find the specifics but I recall them saying a game that he couldn't throw a baseball anymore due to pain. It supposedly doesn't affect his football throwing motion but combine all the other negatives with the guy, why take a chance?
Yea, this is what I was referring to. Didn't really research what was wrong so that's my bad.

And I agree with Babylon. If Weeden played for Texas Tech instead of OK State would people be hyping him? He starts in shotgun then takes another 5 to 7 step drop every snap. The amount of distance that opens up on the field is ridiculous. Plus it compensates for his rather mediocre mobility. AND he had Blackmon on top of that.
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That's a poor comparison. Watching him play, I think Griffin pretty clearly has that "it" factor you want in your franchise QB.

Weeden doesn't. When Ok St had the inside track for the national championship game, he played an awful game against Iowa State. His passes were all over the place and he played a huge part in costing his team the game.

Add in the fact that he'll be 32 by the time his rookie contract expires and his physical tools aren't really that impressive, I pass on him without hesitation.
I live in Waco, so I saw a lot of RG III. Weeden has as much of "it" as he does. There is nothing he lacks to be a to 5 pick, except 5 years. Since career backups and journeymen, of the same age, command a 2nd round pick, I think that is the least you can start with.

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I live in Waco, so I saw a lot of RG III. Weeden has as much of "it" as he does. There is nothing he lacks to be a to 5 pick, except 5 years. Since career backups and journeymen, of the same age, command a 2nd round pick, I think that is the least you can start with.

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Weeden has about as much of the "it" factor as Blaine Gabbert.
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Wouldnt touch him before the 4th, myself. Value will get pushed up because of the need at the QB position and his success in college, but I'll take Kirk Cousins in the 5th over Weeden in the 2nd any day of the week.
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Wouldnt touch him before the 4th, myself. Value will get pushed up because of the need at the QB position and his success in college, but I'll take Kirk Cousins in the 5th over Weeden in the 2nd any day of the week.
The problem is that you probably couldn't get Cousins in the 5th.

It's starting to look like if you want a QB in this day and age, you better be prepared to overdraft him by at least 2 rounds.
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I do think Brandon Weeden is more NFL-ready than most quarterbacks coming out of college, but I don't see enough upside to draft him in the first two rounds. His velocity already isn't great and I'm not sure his arm will be able to sustain its current level into his mid-thirties considering his stint in professional baseball. Weeden is a guy who will be exiting his prime by the time he is fully acclimated to the NFL.
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I think he might have some potential as a Starting NFL QB but he might have a good 3 maybe 4 years in him and I would not Draft him and give him the money when he will only be around for a few years.
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I think if your a team that already has a solid defense and some weapons on offense, and feel your just a QB away why not?

I think he would be great competition for Mark Sanchez. Jets could probably get him in the 3rd or 4th round. At worst he lights a fire under Sanchez and gets him performing, at best he comes out and peforms at a high level.
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All I've heard is positive reviews on Weeden since the Senior Bowl, yet this thread shows that he is still not getting the respect he deserves. Time will tell, but I'm buying in. Weeden to Denver please.
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I don't think he'll be drafted. There's a bold prediction for you Weeden lovers.
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All I've heard is positive reviews on Weeden since the Senior Bowl, yet this thread shows that he is still not getting the respect he deserves. Time will tell, but I'm buying in. Weeden to Denver please.
Unlike most people, apparently, I don't let the one offseason before the draft drastically affect my views on a player who I just spent years watching actually playing the game.

There's very little special about Weeden, he does not have "it", and he's old. I'll pass.

Also, I'm liking that undrafted prediction, ha. I'm not quite that bold though.
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Weeden's getting hyped because of his age.
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People trying to be football hipsters apparently.

"Well I like Brandon Weeden even though he's old."
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Here's where the top QBs could go:

Round 1

Andrew Luck, Stanford*

Robert Griffin, Baylor*

Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M

Seems like he'll end up going in the first round due to positional need.

Round 2

Kirk Cousins, Michigan St.

Lifted his stock above Nick Foles with a strong performance in Mobile.

Nick Foles, Arizona

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Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma St.

Round 4

Brock Osweiler, Arizona St.*

Will be overdrafted because of his physical tools, maybe even more than this.

Round 5

B.J. Coleman, Chattanooga
Chandler Harnish, Northern Illinois

Round 6

Ryan Lindley, San Diego St.
Russell Wilson, Wisconsin

Round 7

Kellen Moore, Boise St.
Darron Thomas, Oregon
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I do think Keenum will get drafted too.
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It's possible that Keenum gets picked but I wanted to stick as close to the average of 12 QBs drafted per season (there are 13 listed there) as possible. Is it worth spending a draft pick on a third-string (practice squad) QB with no upside when quality special teams players with a chance of actually seeing the field will be available?
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I would gladly, gladly take Coleman in the 5th or Lindley in the 6th over anyone not named Luck or Griffin where you have them listed.

Oh, and Osweiler in the 4th. Though I think we both know he's actually going much higher than that.
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I would gladly, gladly take Coleman in the 5th or Lindley in the 6th over anyone not named Luck or Griffin where you have them listed.

Oh, and Osweiler in the 4th. Though I think we both know he's actually going much higher than that.
Coleman is one of my sleepers because his footwork, release, and delivery are all pretty strong at this point. Lindley has a rifle and the height/bulk but his footwork is among the worst I've ever seen. He makes Landry Jones look like Michael Jackson.

I pity the fool that takes Osweiler any higher than the 4th.
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Coleman is one of my sleepers because his footwork, release, and delivery are all pretty strong at this point. Lindley has a rifle and the height/bulk but his footwork is among the worst I've ever seen. He makes Landry Jones look like Michael Jackson.

I pity the fool that takes Osweiler any higher than the 4th.
I just mention those guys because they have the physical tools in place that a franchise QB requires. I'd rather take my chances using a late round pick on one of them and trying to develop him than use a higher pick on someone with far more limited potential.

As for Oswelier...you know it's going to happen. I think he'll be a first round pick by the end of it all. He'll get Gabberted up draft boards and some poor team will be stuck with him for a few years. (I actually like his odds of succeeding better than Gabbert's, but it doesn't change the fact that neither ever should have been a first round pick.)
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There is no ******* way Osweiler lasts until the 4th. I'll be shocked if he lasts past the Top 50 picks. If Joe Flacco can go 18th overall, I can't see any way Osweiler doesn't go very early. Someone is going to look at those tools and go start drooling.

Probably Jacksonville, because why not load up the roster with big, inaccurate passers.
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There is no ******* way Osweiler lasts until the 4th. I'll be shocked if he lasts past the Top 50 picks. If Joe Flacco can go 18th overall, I can't see any way Osweiler doesn't go very early. Someone is going to look at those tools and go start drooling.

Probably Jacksonville, because why not load up the roster with big, inaccurate passers.

I have no doubt that Osweiler ends up in the first.
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