Offseason Discussion Thread - Page 144

Brodeur · 09-03-2012, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Halsey

Have Hot Roddy White and Julioz Jonez became the consensus top WR tandem in the league? Doesn't seem like many WR combos are getting as much positive press/predictions as they are.

Calvin Johnson and Titus Young, beginning now.

vidae · 09-03-2012, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

Calvin Johnson and Titus Young, beginning now.

Who? 10char

Halsey · 09-03-2012, 02:02 AM

I'm interested to see how Titus Young plays, because the Falcons may have drafted him had they not traded up for Julio.

Ness · 09-03-2012, 02:03 AM

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Fitz/Boldin...

I thought about them and Moss and Welker. Ehhh...I suppose I'd add Boldin and Fitzgerald to the mix. They had a few decent years together. For some reason I don't think a lot of people are going to remember them as notably though. Probably because Arizona did a good amount losing while they were together except their final two years being a duo. Of course that shouldn't matter as they both did their jobs, and did them well despite the losses.

Caddy · 09-03-2012, 02:30 AM

Calvin + ????? >>> All

niel89 · 09-03-2012, 02:41 AM

I'd go with Jordyzzz + Nelsonzzz

fenikz · 09-03-2012, 08:00 AM

Welker and Moss was pretty ******* awesome too

SuperPacker · 09-03-2012, 08:32 AM

Green and Sanu in a few years!

Caddy · 09-03-2012, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

Green and Sanu in a few years!

Stop sucking up to Scotty!

Razor · 09-03-2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

Welker and Moss was pretty ******* awesome too

Damn straight. I like what you have in Arizona right now, though. Fitz and Floyd have enormous potential, and Doucet is decent as well. All you need now is a dynamic presence at TE and consistency at QB and you have the key places in place. Don't forget about the OL though. It has to be one of the worst in the league.

scottyboy · 09-03-2012, 08:36 AM

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Green and Sanu in a few years!

this man is a goddamn genius.

and yes, no longer a boy, this post has put hair on your chest.

Hines · 09-03-2012, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Razor

Damn straight. I like what you have in Arizona right now, though. Fitz and Floyd have enormous potential, and Doucet is decent as well. All you need now is a dynamic presence at TE and consistency at QB and you have the key places in place. Don't forget about the OL though. It has to be one of the worst in the league.

The team REALLY likes Rob Houser.

Bengals78 · 09-03-2012, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by scottyboy

this man is a goddamn genius.

and yes, no longer a boy, this post has put hair on your chest.

Teams will be ****** when they try to cover Sanu and AJ then BAM! From out of nowhere a screen to Brian Leonard hits them for a TD

Bob Sanders Dreadlock · 09-03-2012, 01:12 PM

4th quarter comebacks is such an awful stat

Brodeur · 09-03-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae

Who? 10char

The guy that is a lot better than Jon Baldwin.

tjsunstein · 09-03-2012, 01:52 PM

The media falls in love with potential and when the potential such as Julio Jones routinely makes 1 handed catches that they can beat off to in pre game warm ups of course their going to jizz everywhere but I haven't seen anyone successfully shut down Jordy and Jennings in about two years aside from the Giants playoff loss. Remember that Jennings didn't play in the Chiefs loss last year.

I'm not denying what Roddy and Julio can do together but let's not forget what Jennings and Nelson have been doing together for an extended period of time. Jones and White have so much raw potential but when will the Falcons open up their playbook to recognize it? This year is the year right? Just like the Cowboys realize their potential?

In recent years, Moss/Welker, Harrison/Wayne, Fitz/Boldin, and dating back a little further the greatest show on turf were all hell for defensive backs. Pretty soon we're going to have to start including the likes of Gronk/Welker, Graham/Colston if we're considering White/Jones.

But as far as media hype this year's Falcons WRs take the cake.

LonghornsLegend · 09-03-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tjsunstein

The media falls in love with potential and when the potential such as Julio Jones routinely makes 1 handed catches that they can beat off to in pre game warm ups of course their going to jizz everywhere but I haven't seen anyone successfully shut down Jordy and Jennings in about two years aside from the Giants playoff loss. Remember that Jennings didn't play in the Chiefs loss last year.

I'm not denying what Roddy and Julio can do together but let's not forget what Jennings and Nelson have been doing together for an extended period of time. Jones and White have so much raw potential but when will the Falcons open up their playbook to recognize it? This year is the year right? Just like the Cowboys realize their potential?

In recent years, Moss/Welker, Harrison/Wayne, Fitz/Boldin, and dating back a little further the greatest show on turf were all hell for defensive backs. Pretty soon we're going to have to start including the likes of Gronk/Welker, Graham/Colston if we're considering White/Jones.

But as far as media hype this year's Falcons WRs take the cake.

That was Mularkey's fault. Look at the offense in the pre-season since Koetter has taken over. Night and day. Talking about a team/players playing up to their potential is different then talking about an offense. Now if Mularkey was still there and people kept saying "they've got to open things up this year finally, I think they will" I would get that but Koetter runs a much faster, up tempo, no huddle offense that is going to go through Julio primarily and it's already too fast for Michael Turner who is running with cement blocks tied to his ankles.

Now your point about Jennings/Jordy I do see. Jordy doesn't get the hype that some of those other WR's do but I think if he has a repeat performance he will. He caught a lot of people off guard with that type of season and not many felt he had that type of ability, where as if Julio or AJG caught 16 TD's nobody would blink an eye because it was almost expected at some point.

Halsey · 09-03-2012, 02:30 PM

It wasn't Julio Jones potential that resulted him leading the entire NFL in yards after catch last year. There's really no debate that Roddy is more than potential, so I won't bother making an argument for him. Nelson and Jennings are good, but I don't believe they're as good as Jones and White.

bigbluedefense · 09-03-2012, 02:37 PM

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That was Mularkey's fault. Look at the offense in the pre-season since Koetter has taken over. Night and day. Talking about a team/players playing up to their potential is different then talking about an offense. Now if Mularkey was still there and people kept saying "they've got to open things up this year finally, I think they will" I would get that but Koetter runs a much faster, up tempo, no huddle offense that is going to go through Julio primarily and it's already too fast for Michael Turner who is running with cement blocks tied to his ankles.

Now your point about Jennings/Jordy I do see. Jordy doesn't get the hype that some of those other WR's do but I think if he has a repeat performance he will. He caught a lot of people off guard with that type of season and not many felt he had that type of ability, where as if Julio or AJG caught 16 TD's nobody would blink an eye because it was almost expected at some point.

I don't know if it's fair to blame their woes on Mularkey. When Michael Turner ran for over 100 yards a game, the Falcons were a ridiculous 22-5. That's a pretty dominant recipe for success.

I think Matt Ryan's physical limitations are more to blame than Mularkey, but we'll find out the true answer to this question this year.

Halsey · 09-03-2012, 02:41 PM

Ah yes, the "it's because of Turner when they won and because of Ryan when they lost" argument. People point to Matt Ryan when discussuing the Falcons playoff losses, yet ignore that Turner was held to under 50 yards rushing in all 3 of those losses.

"but, but.....Turner was held to under 50 yards because Matt Ryans has teh weak armz!"

tjsunstein · 09-03-2012, 02:43 PM

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It wasn't Julio Jones potential that resulted him leading the entire NFL in yards after catch last year. There's really no debate that Roddy is more than potential, so I won't bother making an argument for him. Nelson and Jennings are good, but I don't believe they're as good as Jones and White.

This is where I struggle to understand the concept of one pairing to be better than the other. What exactly makes you believe that Roddy White and Julio Jones are better than Jennings and Nelson despite what their numbers say? Because of what White has done and where Julio was drafted and his expectations? Because if you base it solely on what they've done on Sundays, I have to believe that the better numbers prevail in making one pairing 'better' than the other.

Jennings: 67 Rec/101 Targets, 949 Yards, 9 TDs
Nelson: 68 Rec/96 Targets, 1263 Yards, 15 TDs
Total: 135/197, 2212 Yards, 24 TDs

White: 100/181, 1296 Yards, 8 TDs
Jones: 54/96, 959, 8 TDs
Total: 154/277, 2255, 16 TDs

Call me crazy but give me Jennings and Nelson last year's production to White and Jones' potential.

And Jones (415) didn't lead the league in yards after the catch, he was about 300+ yards off of Welker's pace (732).

A Perfect Score · 09-03-2012, 02:47 PM

I read a stat on NFL.com this morning that can't be true. Dez Bryant has only one 100 yard receiving game in his career?

bigbluedefense · 09-03-2012, 02:48 PM

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Ah yes, the "it's because of Turner when they won and because of Ryan when they lost" argument. People point to Matt Ryan when discussuing the Falcons playoff losses, yet ignore that Turner was held to under 50 yards rushing in all 3 of those losses.

"but, but.....Turner was held to under 50 yards because Matt Ryans has teh weak armz!"

Well duh, it's a simple concept. When Turner runs well, you win. When he doesn't, you lose.

So what's the gameplan vs the Falcons? Pack the box, stuff the run, and force Ryan to beat you.

The results? 0-3 in the playoffs.

So yes, to put it simply, Ryan is to blame. It's one thing if he played well in his 3 playoff loses and still lost. Ryan has been mediocre to awful in all 3 of his playoff loses.

All you have to do against the Falcons is pack the box, and force Ryan to throw outside the numbers. He can throw deep, people confuse lack of arm strength with a lack of deep ball ability, that's not true. Arm strength shows in the intermediate out patterns. That's where a lack of arm strength hurts you. If you funnel his WRs inside into zone defenders and stop the run, he can't hit those intermediate outs.

tjsunstein · 09-03-2012, 02:50 PM

But to stay on topic, I'll concede that the Falcons duo has become the consensus top WR in the league based on hype. And hype alone.

Ness · 09-03-2012, 02:51 PM

Matt Ryan is still young. I wouldn't be concerned. Manning didn't play very well in his first three playoff games of his career, all losses including a 41-0 shut out against the Jets.

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

I read a stat on NFL.com this morning that can't be true. Dez Bryant has only one 100 yard receiving game in his career?

Probably. I don't think he went over 100 yards last season once.