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Old 02-08-2012, 09:33 AM    (permalink
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Big Ben, Polomalu, Woodley, Harrison, Timmons all make over 8 mil (Ben tops at 17 mil)

And you have Willie Colon making almost 6 mil, Hines making almost 5, and Ike Taylor making 7.
Hines will be getting cut, or have his salary reduced to the bare minimum. Casey Hampton will also be cut taking his $8.1 million cap number off the books. Aaron Smith and Chris Hoke are retiring as well, Farrior too possibly. If he doesn't, he'll be cut along with Larry Foote I think.

The Steelers actually shouldn't have TOO hard of time getting under the cap, but their defensive depth is going to get kneecapped pretty damn badly as result.

That's why I'd try to steal Mike Wallace away while they figure it all out. They can cut all of those guys to get UNDER the cap, but far enough under to match a primo market deal for Wallace? Doubtful.
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So your going to get rid of half of your top tacklers? Do you have another MLB to start? I thought Ball, James, Brooking (can understand him leaving), Spencer all started games...
They have Lee. Who is the best of the bunch. Maybe one comes back between James and Brooking. And they get someone else. Top tacklers is deceiving. Getting a ton of tackles isn't always a good thing.
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Hines will be getting cut, or have his salary reduced to the bare minimum. Casey Hampton will also be cut taking his $8.1 million cap number off the books. Aaron Smith and Chris Hoke are retiring as well, Farrior too possibly. If he doesn't, he'll be cut along with Larry Foote I think.

The Steelers actually shouldn't have TOO hard of time getting under the cap, but their defensive depth is going to get kneecapped pretty damn badly as result.

That's why I'd try to steal Mike Wallace away while they figure it all out. They can cut all of those guys to get UNDER the cap, but far enough under to match a primo market deal for Wallace? Doubtful.

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Shows where we can save money, don't agree with letting go of Clark.
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So your going to get rid of half of your top tacklers? Do you have another MLB to start? I thought Ball, James, Brooking (can understand him leaving), Spencer all started games...
Tackle numbers don't really mean much. Somebody's gotta tackle somebody. They have Lee, they have Carter, they just need a backup ILB which they can get in teh draft in the middle rounds, and Spencer is a mediocre pass rusher. A Ray Edwards type. He can easily be replaced with a cheaper option or a better one in the draft.

Hell, they have Victor Butler already on their roster, and I've always felt that Butler is better than Spencer anyway. Spencer only started bc of he was a 1st round pick.
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Shows where we can save money, don't agree with letting go of Clark.
Your depth would still be getting gashed badly. I think your best bet with guys like Hampton would be to cut them outright and if no one else is interested, resign them later for veteran minimums.
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They have Lee. Who is the best of the bunch. Maybe one comes back between James and Brooking. And they get someone else. Top tacklers is deceiving. Getting a ton of tackles isn't always a good thing.
I know about Lee, but I meant if you have a another since you run a 3-4. And that just adds to the number, so say bare minimum 3 mil. How will you shed 20 mil to get to Nicks?
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Your depth would still be getting gashed badly. I think your best bet with guys like Hampton would be to cut them outright and if no one else is interested, resign them later for veteran minimums.
Yeah, but with cutting Hampton outright we have nobody left to play the NT position, unless we want to chance it with Hood and rookie NT.

Everyone in the league knows Hampton only plays 2 downs, so someone will offer him just enough to play the backup role.

I do agree on letting go with Foote and Farrior.
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I know about Lee, but I meant if you have a another since you run a 3-4. And that just adds to the number, so say bare minimum 3 mil. How will you shed 20 mil to get to Nicks?
You don't have to shed 20 million. I'm sure Nicks cap hit the first year of a contract would be under 5 million.
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Yeah, but with cutting Hampton outright we have nobody left to play the NT position, unless we want to chance it with Hood and rookie NT.

Everyone in the league knows Hampton only plays 2 downs, so someone will offer him just enough to play the backup role.

I do agree on letting go with Foote and Farrior.
Hampton is 35, frequently overweight and out of shape AND coming off an ACL injury that required surgery.

Seriously, just chance it. If some other team does snatch him up, roll with what you have, draft a rookie and/or find some 320+ pound low level veteran to plug the hole.
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You don't have to shed 20 million. I'm sure Nicks cap hit the first year of a contract would be under 5 million.
Your 9 mil over, adding James/Brooking for 3 mil, and signing him for just 5 mil would be releasing 17 mil. On top of 5-6 mil for rookie contracts, thats 22 mil.
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Hampton is 35, frequently overweight and out of shape AND coming off an ACL injury that required surgery.

Seriously, just chance it. If some other team does snatch him up, roll with what you have, draft a rookie and/or find some 320+ pound low level veteran to plug the hole.
Chiefs would probably give him a chance in a heartbeat.
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Don't underrate how creative teams can be when signing guys to deals. Who would have thought that Philly would have signed everyone they did last year AND still be $6 million under this year?
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Your 9 mil over, adding James/Brooking for 3 mil, and signing him for just 5 mil would be releasing 17 mil. On top of 5-6 mil for rookie contracts, thats 22 mil.
I think your math is off. They can find a way to get under if they really want him.
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Hampton is 35, frequently overweight and out of shape AND coming off an ACL injury that required surgery.

Seriously, just chance it. If some other team does snatch him up, roll with what you have, draft a rookie and/or find some 320+ pound low level veteran to plug the hole.
Oh yeah I forgot about the ACL. He won't even be playing this year, CUT it iz.
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I think your math is off. They can find a way to get under if they really want him.
I dont understand how my math is off when I clearly stated where the money is going to...?

And who would help restructure their deals to help the team? Most are in the early stages of their new contracts, so they probably wouldn't.
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How could I forget 3 ACL injuries in 1 game?
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How could I forget 3 ACL injuries in 1 game?
The Giants had two in the Superbowl, both TEs. Crazy. I think they should be players for Finley if he hits the market. If not, look to draft someone. The guy from Clemson or at worst, Coby Fleener.
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Don't want Finley. Too many drops, can't block. Dumb. He's the exact opposite of what we need in a Run N Shoot offense.
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The Giants had two in the Superbowl, both TEs. Crazy. I think they should be players for Finley if he hits the market. If not, look to draft someone. The guy from Clemson or at worst, Coby Fleener.
I've made my thoughts pretty clear in the Giants thread but I still don't think it is a first round need. Grab a Carlson, Kellen Davis, or hell even Martellus Bennett for cheap and grab a 3 or 4th rounder to develop. Those 2 + Pascoe, + Ballard and Beckum on PUP. We'll make due.

I don't see the Giants being huge players in FA this year, just depth.
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Manningham will get paid like Dexter Jackson did from his Super Bowl performance. Both are just role players that will be overpaid on the market.

I'd like Manningham as a #3 guy, but he's going to get paid this off-season. Something tells me it'll be the Redskins.
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Don't want Finley. Too many drops, can't block. Dumb. He's the exact opposite of what we need in a Run N Shoot offense.
Ha, I'm glad I'm not the only person who hates that moron. Still, he's the best free agent likely to hit the market. Your other options are like Martellus Bennett, Visanthe Shiancoe and coming-off-of-injury John Carlson.

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I've made my thoughts pretty clear in the Giants thread but I still don't think it is a first round need. Grab a Carlson, Kellen Davis, or hell even Martellus Bennett for cheap and grab a 3 or 4th rounder to develop. Those 2 + Pascoe, + Ballard and Beckum on PUP. We'll make due.

I don't see the Giants being huge players in FA this year, just depth.
You don't want Kellen Davis. He's like a 3rd TE as a blocker and that's about it. Get a TE who can actually contribute a little as a receiver.
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Martellus Bennet lolz
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Steelers are going to have to work some miracles if they want to put up a good defense, fix the oline and make the playoffs.

With lebeau, the defense will be taken care of. We already have young DEs ready to step in a play. Cbs we drafted last year have to start seeing significant time. They'll draft for the defense as always.

Retooling the oline, going back to the running game with ACL injury Mendy, and a new OC Haley, I don't know what to make of that.
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I dont understand how my math is off when I clearly stated where the money is going to...?

And who would help restructure their deals to help the team? Most are in the early stages of their new contracts, so they probably wouldn't.
Well for one the allotted rookie pool was already included in those numbers on the first page.
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You don't want Kellen Davis. He's like a 3rd TE as a blocker and that's about it. Get a TE who can actually contribute a little as a receiver.
What was Jake Ballard? I'd rather spend money to resign Mario and keep those 3 receiving threats then spend big on a TE or draft one in the first round.
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