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Old 02-08-2012, 12:55 PM    (permalink
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Around 80 percent of the starting QBs would just as many wins with the Ravens.
And most of that 20% would probably have at least one Superbowl appearance, if not Superbowl win.
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I think most of the frustration comes from the fact that those wins haven't so much been because of Flacco, but in spite of him. While he has been successful in his early days in Baltimore, he's also had the luxury of playing on one of the most talented overall rosters in the NFL during that tenure. Very few teams consistently surround their young QBs with the type of talent the Ravens have, and most of the frustration with him comes from the fact that we very well could have won numerous Superbowls had his development exceeded what it has so far.
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I think Flacco is pretty clearly the second best guy on their offense. Take that how you will.
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You're ignoring the o-line and Boldin?
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I think Flacco is pretty clearly the second best guy on their offense. Take that how you will.
I'd probably disagree with this. Ignoring position value, I'd venture to say Ray Rice, Vonta Leach, Marshall Yanda and Ben Grubbs are all "better" players then Flacco. You could probably make a halfway decent case for Mike Oher and Anquan Boldin too. I still think Boldin would be a hell of a receiver if he was utilized properly. If you let him work out of the slot and do most of his dmg underneath and after the catch instead of making him run those stupid ******* sideline routes, I think he's easily a 70 catch, 1000 yard and 8 TD guy no problem.
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I think Flacco is pretty clearly the second best guy on their offense. Take that how you will.
I think third and soon to be 4th if you are not counting lineman.

Edit: 4th soon to be 5th, forgot about Leach.
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Sure he could have developed more. And yes, the defense and guys like Ray Rice should get much of the credit for those wins. But Flacco put the Ravens in position to go to the Super Bowl this year. Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff screwed it up.
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Sure he could have developed more. And yes, the defense and guys like Ray Rice should get much of the credit for those wins. But Flacco put the Ravens in position to go to the Super Bowl this year. Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff screwed it up.
Yeah, that godawful interception he threw 5 minutes before at the Patriots 30 to Brandon Spikes of all people had nothing to do with us losing that game.
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im officially a jaguars fan now...bye bye terrible ravens who waste draft picks on horrible players...the only way the ravens could make this up to me would be by drafting quentin groves or brandon flowers, then i MIGHT forgive them

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oh it's absolutely still hilarious.

the giants should just go after Ray Rice. yeah...that'd be nice
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Look on the bright side APS you did get Groves, on your new team.
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**** that noise. MIKE WALLACE. Rob a conference foe, young, elite speed, no headaches like DeSean.

Proceed to ball out like a crazy person. Wallace running deep routes will open so much up for those TEs. Brady might throw for 6000 yards.

And yes, do it even if it means letting go of Welker.

Wallace + Edelman in Welker's role >>>>> Welker and, let's say, Brandon Lloyd.

Throw in those TEs and holy god damn Batman.
This is a wise man. I suggested this like 3 months ago, and everyone gave me **** for it.

I really don't care what we do as long as we add some elite talent outside the hashes. Our corners suck and our outside receivers suck. We have a lot of resources to make something happen. If we got Wallace and someone like Carr, Webb, Grimes, Thomas, Greer, or Rogers to play on the outside we'd immediately improve. We're so good inside the hashes that all it takes one outside receiver, and then virtually no team matches up to us because of the TE's. The fact that Branch and Ocho are so terrible were literally our undoing.
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This is a wise man. I suggested this like 3 months ago, and everyone gave me **** for it.

I really don't care what we do as long as we add some elite talent outside the hashes. Our corners suck and our outside receivers suck. We have a lot of resources to make something happen. If we got Wallace and someone like Carr, Webb, Grimes, Thomas, Greer, or Rogers to play on the outside we'd immediately improve. We're so good inside the hashes that all it takes one outside receiver, and then virtually no team matches up to us because of the TE's. The fact that Branch and Ocho are so terrible were literally our undoing.
Disagree about the CBs. Issue is with the safeties. If McCourty even gets remotely close to what he was last year and Dowling stays healthy then CB becomes a strength. If BB is worried about either of those happening then I'm all for drafting or picking up talent at CB.
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You can never have too much CB depth. If you don't spend the money/draft picks on a deep threat WR or pass rusher, then CB is the next best place I think.
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How about somebody who can pressure other than 2 old guys and 1 awesome Lb?
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I don't really want to start a new thread for this but does anyone have interest to do a collective NFLDC rankings of all the players in their position group? We can gather votes and then just assemble an NFLDC ranking. I know it was talked about earlier in the year and now would be a good down time to do so.
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I don't really want to start a new thread for this but does anyone have interest to do a collective NFLDC rankings of all the players in their position group? We can gather votes and then just assemble an NFLDC ranking. I know it was talked about earlier in the year and now would be a good down time to do so.
TJ planned to do it after the Super Bowl. I remember he PMed certain members to figure out who could help form the NFLDC Top 100 kind of deal. I'd absolutely be down though.
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Disagree about the CBs. Issue is with the safeties. If McCourty even gets remotely close to what he was last year and Dowling stays healthy then CB becomes a strength. If BB is worried about either of those happening then I'm all for drafting or picking up talent at CB.
I could win the lottery tomorrow and then I'd be rich, but I'm not going to rely on that happening either. The fact of the matter is Dowling hasn't been healthy in years and McCourty was the only corner to give up 1000+ yards since they started tracking it 6 years ago. I'm not taking my chances with McCourty and Arrington for a 3rd straight year. Get somebody in the offseason there because there will be decent value to be had on the market. Safety is going to be a crapshoot so I'd avoid it in free agency.

I'd let McCourty play safety and corner in zone looks, and if he gets "it" back we go from there, but in the meantime it can't hurt to have CB depth.

Safety is another problem spot, but I don't think there is as simple of a fix available to us right now. Just going from Ihedigbo to somebody who is below average would greatly improve the team.
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I think ranking the guys by position would be better than an NFLDC 100 just because it's so difficult to compare offensive guys to defensive.
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and inherently biased, rendering it worthless
just because my top 5 would be Ray Rice, Britt, Brian Leonard, Chase Blackburn and Dave Tollefson doesn't mean it'd be biased
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TJ mentioned using 10-15 posters he respected to come up with unbiased results. Of course we all have our favorites, but hopefully they'd even themselves out.
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i would *highly* recommend doing it off-site, then posting the rankings back to the site for discussion.
I'm sure you meant criticism, name calling, and being told they are plain stupid
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Let's just do it in here, first to one vote wins, down to 10, starting at QB.

1) Tim Tebow.
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